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Rittenhouse Tucker Carlson Interview Recap: John Pierce and Linn Wood are the Worst
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Kyle Rittenhouse sat down with Tucker Carlson last night and we review the legal points discussed in the interview, including when Kyle explains that his lawyers Lin Wood and John Pierce told him he needed to stay in jail.
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Hello, my friends. And welcome back to yet. Another episode of watching the Watchers alive . My name is Robert crueler . And today we're talking about Kyle Rittenhouse. He had a long interview with Tucker Carlson yesterday. Very interesting. You know, I was going to let sleeping dogs lie. We covered Kyle Rittenhouse at length here on this channel. Trial's over. He got acquitted on all charges. Very good news. We've been following this case for a long time, as you're about to see as we continue on in the show, but he was kind of done with his case. Things have wrapped up and we were waiting to hear about the debrief, wanted to hear from Mark Richards. We did wanted to hear from Thomas binger , not going to happen, want to hear from other people who were involved in his defense. And we heard from Kyle Rittenhouse kind of a surprise, went on Tucker Carlson's show and gave us some details about his perspective, about what he was experiencing as he was going through this entire year and four months ordeal . And so we're going to break that down in its entirety today. It was a big, long interview on Fox news, took up the entire hour. We're not going to watch the whole thing here, but I've only clipping out the most pertinent parts of the interviews , specifically the legal stuff, the stuff where Kyle Rittenhouse is telling us about his experience in the jails, his experience with his attorneys, what the legal process was like, because there were some interesting nuggets that we can glean from this. Remember that when you are observing a criminal case, especially a criminal case, that is something of this nature, something so high profile, oftentimes we're just watching things through a lens. We don't really get to see what's on the other side of the lens. And then after the case is over, we get a different lens, the whole box opens, and we're able to look inside and see what really went on behind the veil. And so we're going to be able to do some of that today. We've got clips from Kyle Rittenhouse on Tucker Carlson show. We've got clips from Lynn wood , responding to this. Some reporter gave him a call and it was asking him about his response to Kyle Rittenhouse and Lynn would actually responded. And so we've got some of his statements. We've got clips today from Jen Saki over at the white house, because of course the white house got asked about this and we're going to go through it and just sort of piece together, some of the fallout , some of the aftermath of the Kyle Rittenhouse case. And so if you want to be a part of the show, the place to do that is over@watchingthewatchersdotlocals.com. There's a form that looks just like this. Of course, today we're only talking Rittenhouse and Tucker and John Pierce . And so it's only one topic, but throw your questions in there. We'll do our very best to get to those today. As the show continues, quick reminder is Tuesday. So I've got a hard stop. And when that happens, if there are any leftover questions, we'll make sure we get to those tomorrow morning over exclusively@watchingthewatchersdotlocals.com. Also, if you're looking for clips, we are going to break this up since it's about an hour and a half show, we'll break it up into three different clips. So if you want to share a particular segment with a friend or family member, we of course would appreciate that helps the channel grow. And it just warms my heart when you do that. So I'd appreciate that very much. Okay. So without any further ado, the news of the day, Kyle Rittenhouse on Tucker Carlson for a very long extensive interview, many people kind of shocked given the fact that we just learned on Friday that Kyle Rittenhouse was acquitted of some very serious charges on Friday. He's looking at a potential life in prison sentence, a life sentence, and he gets acquitted on all of the counts and then comes Monday morning. And we've got an interview on Fox news, pretty quick debrief. And some people out there are saying, well , it's kind of soon, you know, shouldn't he be pausing and thinking through some of these things maybe, but he didn't. He decided that he wanted to go. And as we have seen from Kyle Rittenhouse, he kind of goes right into things. It doesn't really think twice about it. I'd say. I mean, he , he , he wants to be useful. He wants to be helpful. I think this is part of the reason he testified. Mark Richards of course has said differently. It says that, you know , in Wisconsin you have to testify, but it's, it's the, it's the Rittenhouse personality. Somebody who just wants to charge into things and make his position hurt. And he did that certainly , uh, with the media when he was on Tucker Carlson show. So we're going to go through this. Now, there was a lot in this interview, but as I mentioned, we're only going to be picking out the pieces that are most pertinent to the legal case. And in particular, we're going to start off talking about Kyle written houses , first attorneys, two people named Linwood and John Pierce people that we've talked a lot about on this channel. And we're going to talk a lot more about them. Why? Because Kyle Rittenhouse says that they were terrible lawyers. They were people who took total advantage of him. And in fact, he was held in custody for 87 days unnecessarily, which was a point that I made well over a year ago, which we're going to revisit. And he was sort of, I think, catching Tucker Carlson by surprise on this, talking about how poorly his attorneys treated him. Here's how that sounded in jail
Speaker 2For 87 days. And this goes as follows in with Linwood who Linwood was raising money on my behalf. And he held me in jail for 87 days, disrespect to my wishes, put me on media interviews, which I should never have done when she said, oh, you're going to go talk to the Washington post, which was not a good idea. Along with John Pierce , they said I was safer in jail instead of at home with my family. And then after I'm built , the lawyer said that my lawyer said that John Pearson Lynwood put 87 days is a long time to be in jail. It was, it was very long. I lost a lot of weight in there. I, I, since then gained it back. I know the feeling. Yeah , but 87 days of not being with my family for defending myself and being taken advantage to being used for a cause by these, the law by John Pearson, Lynwood , trying to solicit, not solicit trying to raise money so they can take it for their own benefit. Not trying to set me for a
Speaker 1Yikes. Your own lawyers told you that you got to sit in jail. Cause they got to raise funds. And he was already in there for 87 days and 87 days. They want to do extend that further all the way out into November Tucker Carlson jokes. He says in 87 days is a long time to be in jail. Uh , yeah . So as one day, yeah. It's , it's not a pleasant place to be. If you've ever been in jail or been to and visited the jails, you would know. Yeah. 87. Yeah. It's a lot. Right? Especially if you're somebody who didn't commit any crimes as Kyle Rittenhouse didn't he was acquitted of all the charges. So he served 87 days unnecessarily and Tucker Carlson is asking him about this. And he says, yeah, my own attorneys told me that I needed to sit over there. And if you recall, we can do a quick reflection down memory lane. What happened here originally? Remember Kyle Rittenhouse is all took place in Kenosha, Wisconsin, back in August of 2020, he crossed state lines and went back over to Illinois where he turned himself into the police department. Now what happens in Illinois? You're there the criminal procedure, the justice procedure there says, if you committed a crime out of state, that is a serious felony, you are non bondable. We're going to hold you until we decide what the other state wants to do with you. Broad strokes here. And so when Kyle Rittenhouse was in Illinois, he legally could knock it out of custody. There was no mechanism for him to do that because he was an out of state defendant. And when we read the laws, I said, well, that's kind of stupid. That it's pretty terrible thing because he should be out of custody. How can we get him out of custody? So back then a year ago, the conversation was it's pretty easy. All you do. You extradite Kyle back to Wisconsin where the crime occurred and you can ask that a bond be set there. And we on this channel went through and did a compare and contrast. And we found that other defendant who was roughly Kyle Rittenhouse, his age named crystal Kaiser , she's also charged with homicide, absolutely. A premeditated homicide and her bond was set. I think if I remember correctly, 1 million reduced down to 400,000. So you go, okay, Kyle Rittenhouse should get a similar bond. Something on parallel. He has two homicides. Let's say that his, his bail set at 800,000, no problem. He can raise that up and post it and get out of custody back in Wisconsin. So why wouldn't you as a defense lawyer, extradite him from Illinois, right back to Wisconsin, Linwood, John Pierce , they've already raising money, hand over fist to post bond. They can't post bond in Illinois because it's a non bondable situation because he's an out-of-state defendant. So they didn't want to send him back from Illinois over to Wisconsin because they would have then had to post the bond. That money would no longer be liquid money would be back with the courts now. So they fought and fought and fought to keep him in Illinois. And they actually had an extradition hearing where John Pearce , I made fun of them last year for going in there and saying, your honor , uh, there's a clerical error on this form. Therefore he said, quote, game set, and match. You can extradite them and I'm going, did this guy just watch a Tom cruise movie? What kind of lawyering is this? This is ridiculous. And of course the judge said, this is ridiculous lawyering. And the judge just signed off on the extradition order. And Kyle Rittenhouse was sent back to Wisconsin. And in the middle of that transportation from Illinois, back over to Wisconsin, John Pierce says, we're going to appeal this. We're going to take this up to the Supreme court. He's not going anywhere. And by the time Monday morning hit around. Kyle Rittenhouse was back in Wisconsin, nothing to do, no appeals, nothing was going to happen at all. And then he got a new lawyer, absolutely embarrassing for those guys. And I called it out back. Then a lot of people are saying, oh, now you're going after these guys. No, no, no, no. Look at the record here. Back on YouTube, back in September 17th, 2000, look at all these different videos we had out here. Kyle Rittenhouse was acting in. Self-defense said that September 15th, 2020, another one, Wisconsin bond $2 million should have sent Kyle back over there . $2 million bond. Is it reasonable factors that Kyle's defense team must consider for his release? Get them out of custody. I was screaming about this. Kyle Rittenhouse could be released without bail. And then of course, as it progresses through the conversation, can Kyle Rittenhouse, his defense team handle his case? Kyle Rittenhouse, his attorney L Lynn would in a different video. I said has some serious baggage and look at this video 295 likes, but all of the others were downvotes 43% likes all of them downvotes because the Linwood people just go bananas over him. And then I asked about John Pierce , is he involved in a Ponzi scheme? Okay. So this stuff was well-known back then. And Kyle Rittenhouse just got totally taken advantage of here's what I said back then. This is a trip down memory lane talking about these two guys. I had a bad feeling about him . I wanted to take a closer look is because I started seeing some of this stuff bubbling up on Twitter. And I heard some of these kind of weird allegations that these guys were in charge of fundraising for Kyle Rittenhouse. And then they've got a lot of debt and a lot of these creditors making claims against them. So now people will have concerns about the money. Is it really going to written house's defense fund? Is it really going to be used for his defense or is there going to be sort of embezzled and siphoned off to , to, to pay down some of these past debts? And I started thinking through that as, oh my goodness. That is troubling. Indeed. If they're going to be defense attorneys who are not putting their full, full force of their careers and their skillsets into defending Rittenhouse, then they're not the right attorneys for the job. If they're too worried about fighting off lawsuits that are attacking their personal, you know, their , their , their businesses. And they've got these really massive, outstanding debts that is a disservice to Kyle Rittenhouse. And that's really the most important thing here, right? I mean, is there, is there anything else more important than that? I mean, these guys, all right . So that was a trip down memory lane. Look at that lighting. It looks like I was in a, a deep sea aquarium or a spaceship or something like that. So I thought that was funny as I was scrolling through, it was like, oh man, he's come a long way. And I was a little bit more calm back then. I was a little bit more, you know, diplomatic or just talking about these cases very quietly and amicably. And I'm not mad at all about anything. Now it's a different show, isn't it? But it's been a , it's been a lot of fun evolving through it, but you understood what I was saying back then, bad feeling from these two guys, because even in the middle of it, even in the thick of it, it was a lot of it felt like they were doing this for them. It wasn't about Kyle Rittenhouse . It was all about Linwood . And it was all about John Pierce and it made my blood boil because I'm thinking this is the crime of the century brother. You have a self-defense case, which has been handed to you guys on a silver platter that the entire country is rallying around. You can go in there and get into Quidel on this thing and lead the charge. It'd be a symbolic victory for all of America and they just botched it. And they were, I was worried that they were going to lose the case. Honestly, I thought that they were going to let this thing slip through their fingers and it made my skin crawl. So fortunately that didn't happen, but just listen, compare and contrast what I was concerned about last year to what Kyle Rittenhouse said last night. So,
Speaker 3So you think they could have raised the money for bail faster, but they didn't.
Speaker 2Um, I believe it, I believe sometime it's September, September 5th. I want to say they had over a million dollars and bail was set and able to be posted in September. So they could have had me signed the waiver for extradition. It had me back in Wisconsin and I could have been bailed out wow . By mid September . But they wanted to keep me in jail until November 20th,
Speaker 1Mid September .
Speaker 2Like it was, it was scary in jail. Like you had to watch over yourself and not a lot of people liked fan jail until they , the funny thing is a lot of people didn't like me in jail, but they got to hear like my story. And they got to understand me, like, he's actually a really decent person. I'm not this person that the media painted him out to be.
Speaker 1Yeah. And so they're telling him , you're going to be safer in jail, Kyle, it's going to be much better. You know, all that money that we're raising so that you can post bond. It's going to be much safer for you. If we don't have to put that money up to bond you out, something like that. We're just going to hold you in Illinois. And then we're just going to hang on to all this money. We're going to keep making it hand over fist. And we're going to argue the judge. Won't, it's a , it's a non bondable offense. So we're not gonna be able to use any of that money. Cause the court won't take it. As soon as Kyle gets extradited, boom. Now they've got to post it. So that money becomes no longer theirs. It's now held in bond with the court. They didn't want that to happen. And they're telling Kyle , it's going to be safer for you in jail. And I've heard that before from other defense attorneys. And to be fair, there are situations where you might have, you might have a client tell you I'd rather, I'd rather actually stay here. Okay ? I actually, I'd rather be in jail. You think of a situation where somebody has a strong proclivity to re-offend, whatever that may be. If they have a certain urge that cannot be controlled and they know that they're a danger to themselves, if they are out on the streets, they may say I've got a , I want to stay here. Had conversations like that. Had conversations where people addicted to drugs will want to stay in custody. They'll say, I'm going to dry out here, right? I'm just going to get off the alcohol here. I can't get ax , easy access to it. The little secret is that in prison and jails, there are drugs everywhere if you really want them. But the point is, people will often stay in jail just because they want to dry out to get off the drugs, or because they know that if they are released, they're going to go get another felony. And the problem is is if you are on release for a felony and you get another felony, it is a gigantic problem. So let's say, you're you get arrested for possession of dangerous drugs, methamphetamine , something like that. You're put into custody and they say, all right, listen, we're going to let you out. But if you get in trouble again, you're in deep trouble. And you say, yes, I promise I'm not going to get in trouble again. So they let you out. You go back out, you get popped out on another methamphetamine charge because you have an urge that you can not control what happens. Well, you now get an additional felony on another date of offense, which means that you now have back to back multiple felonies that you're facing. And you committed a new offense while on release while on felony release. So they'll just add additional years for that. It's like, you're on pro. We're going to let you out, but you're on probation. If you break it again, we're going to, we're going to make it so much worse and they do. So there are situations where defense attorneys will say, look, it's better for us to keep you here. All right. Uh, and, and, and the defendant will say, you're absolutely right about that. Cause I'm going to get in trouble again. And it's going to be really bad unless you can work them into a program or something like that. You know, that being said, this is not either of those situations. Kyle Rittenhouse is a 17 year old kid at this situation. Okay. Throwing him in a jail that has adults in it because they move him out of the juvenile center. At some point back into an adult facility is not safer than being at home with his mother. Right? A lot of people were angry at Kyle Rittenhouse back in that, during that time. But his security could have been provided to a higher level than a jail Linwood and John Pierce , if they did that, if told that to Kyle Rittenhouse, which I don't doubt for a minute, they did those two people are some of the most reprehensible people I've ever heard of in, in, in criminal law, practicing criminal law. I mean, not, you know , not, not in the hierarchy of horrible things, but in practicing criminal law. Yeah. It's pretty bad. You're going to sit in custody. You're a 17 year old kid with a home run self-defense case. And these two knuckleheads couldn't figure it out to get them out of custody quickly. And he's actually safer in jail. It's reprehensible. It makes my skin crawl. And so I wanted to take a look at these lawyers and see what their response was to some of this stuff. I like to give both sides a fair shake on this channel more often than not. Sometimes I fail on that. No doubt about it, but I do try my best. And so I wanted to see what John peers, Kyle Rittenhouse , his defense lawyer early on in the case had to say, and I went over to his Twitter account and look at this. Oh, you're blocked . Oh, isn't that just nice. So a tough guy, John Pierce over here blocking his critics on Twitter. And you can see this joker says , uh , he's dedicated to the lost art of combat by trial. And he's got these two bucks in gloves hanging down on his profile picture, which is just a joke, a total joke. What a joke we've seen him in action. We've seen him in the art combat of trial. All right . Not trial. He couldn't even handle an extradition hearing without looking like he was trying to fake Tom cruise. What a joke. All right. So John Pierce is sort of an embarrassment. We can move on to somebody who's a little bit more serious. Lynwood responded actually to the claim, which is why he's more serious. At least he's been around. I know John Pierce had COVID or something like that. He , I was concerned that maybe I was going to be critical. Well, look, I thought that he was faking the COVID thing because he didn't want to show up to court for federal court when he was representing some people on the J six cases. But I don't know where he is. I don't know if anybody's heard from him. I don't know if the, if he's reestablished communication with the court on those J six cases, I have no idea, but at least Lynwood is responding to these claims. Your client went out there on TV last night, Tucker Carlson, the biggest cable show that exists out there says you took advantage of him. Would you like to respond to that? Uh , yeah, I would actually. Here's what Lynnwood had to say about this. And he posted this on telegram here is what he said.
Speaker 4I don't know what he's saying. We did to take advantage of him. I helped him fight back. Helped him. What is he saying? I did wrong to take advantage of him.
Speaker 5Um, well, he's he, did you see the interview?
Speaker 4I did not. When it was there, is it air tonight? I've heard about it . I've heard about it, but I didn't hear any, I didn't, I didn't pay attention to the details.
Speaker 5Okay. Well , well he claims that you took advantage of,
Speaker 4I don't know what that, I don't know. I don't know what he's talking about. Fight back. Helped him. Can we raise $2 million for him for four, for two that we put $2 million attributed to , to Kyle's efforts for our foundation, we spent 2.7 million. We had a videotaped on that. I think helped us defense lawyers a lot. We paid hundreds of thousands of dollars in attorney's fees and expenses, investigators , expenses. And we raised the money for his bail and the foundation put $600,000 of his general funds into his bail because it's criminal lawyers told him, told us he needed to get out because they didn't feel like he was safe in Kenosha. The criminal lawyers thought he was safer in juvenile in Illinois. I did not represent Kyle as a criminal lawyer. I'm not a criminal lawyer.
Speaker 1Oh, not a criminal lawyer. You see how that goes ? Oh, I don't know anything about any of that. But we did spend , uh , millions of dollars, hundreds of thousands of dollars on investigators and videos. We made a video that's like worth 1.7 million, right there , obviously very expensive video to make. And we hired all these investigators and we took money out of the general fund and 600,000 here and 600. And we did all this stuff, but I'm not a criminal lawyer anyways. So I don't , um , you know, I don't know how any of that works. Well then why are you spending all of that money then, sir , on investigations and making videos. Do you think that that video acquitted Kyle Rittenhouse? Cause I don't even think they played that video they're in court, did they? No, they didn't. Did they call any of the investigators that you hired? Lynwood ? Where were they? Who are they? What are their names? Cause I didn't hear from them in court. We heard from Dr. Black, that's it? Who were these other experts that came in and read deacon? I don't know where it went. So hundreds of thousands of dollars gone evaporated $2 million posted Lynnwood talks about 600,000 of that from the general funds being approached . They're all scraping for money at this point, that $2 million bond is exonerated now. So that is now going out to whomever gets that money back and they are all going to be just scraping for it. It's disgusting behavior, disgusting behavior. Let's see what else you had to say? Oh yeah. I'm not a criminal lawyer. I was only brought in for defamation and to steal a bunch of money, raise a bunch of money. I excuse me about that. Here's what he said
Speaker 4And asked me to handle defamation matters for him after the criminal case. I agreed to do that. But then John, let me finish. John Pierce called at the end of November, after we made his bail and said that they no longer wanted us to raise money with his name. We said, okay, we didn't. They said that Wendy , uh, Rittenhouse wanted John to represent him in the defamation cases. I said, fine. I was drew . It was a letter. I hadn't heard anything about my doing anything wrong until now. All of a sudden, I don't understand. Do you, do you know about David?
Speaker 1All right. So he goes and he starts talking about this David Guy, this David Holland guy, which is like, all right . Not asking about him. Okay. He's somebody who came in after the fact or asking about you. So Linwood , uh, only got brought on to do defamation. John Pierce was the person who brought me in. Then John Pierce threw me out and all I did was raise money. So he posts. He puts that money up. No idea where it's going to go. It doesn't address that at all. Let's see what he says here. Okay. So the reporter asks him, they say, Lynn Kyle said specifically, can you answer this raising money for you for your personal endeavors? Not for Kyle Rittenhouse. Do you want to answer that? Here's what he says,
Speaker 5That that written house says that you raise money so they can take it for their own benefit.
Speaker 4And that's, that's not true. Somebody has fed cow misinformation for whatever reason. Let me say this fight back helped him. All the donors tried to help him. The foundation did help him. He was the decisions he made. Even about the interview. One interview he gave to the Washington post. Those decisions were finalized by his criminal lawyers. I'm not a criminal lawyer. Do you understand that his criminal lawyer at the time was John Pierce and Mark Richards. If they didn't want him to do an interview, I couldn't tell him to do it. I talked to Kyle one time when he was in jail. That's the only time I ever talked to him. The call was made. I was able to speak to him for like two or three minutes. He thanked me for what fight back was doing. He told me that he was reading his Bible. He told me that he thought and knew that God was with him that night. I told him to keep reading his Bible that I believed God would take care of him. That was the only wait a minute. Now, listen, get this right for your story. That was the end of the conversation. He said, I love you. I said, I love you too, Kyle. That's the only time I ever talked to the boy.
Speaker 1Yeah. So, you know, I'm seeing a lot of people. There's a woman here in Arizona named Wendy Rogers and she's out there saying Lynn's a good Christian man. And so I guess that just absolves him of any liability or any focus he just gets asked the question about, Hey, did you look? We're happy that Kyle Rittenhouse is acquitted. Thanks for your help and support on that. We're asking about millions of dollars that were raised. And what is the accounting of those funds? Where are they going? Asking the appropriate questions. He just goes off into a tirade about the Bible. I well , not going to answer that. I'm going to talk about the Bible. Talk to Kyle. That's all good. And we all appreciate prayer. And we all were saying those as this case progressed, that's not the question. And what's going on here is Linwood is not a dummy. He knows he's recording this. He's having a conversation with a journalist. He's using the journal. He's using the journalist to tee up these questions so that he can just rant his position on what happened here. Knows he's going to post this on. Telegram knows that , uh, you know, he's got a massive online following knows that this video that I'm playing right now is going to have more downlights downvotes than any other video I talk about. Cause I'm being critical of Linwood . He's gonna post it on there and people are gonna say, yeah, you know, he's speaking my language. Yes. I also believe in Jesus. Yes. I also believe in Christ. Yes. I also believe that praying to your savior is going to be useful in your life when you're in difficult times. But doesn't answer the question at all. And so it's deflection. It's pretty obvious that there's a bunch of money missing, that he raised a bunch of, of it. The bond has been exonerated from the courts. Where is that money going? Is Kyle Rittenhouse going to get $2 million? Cause that's what the bond was. Somebody is getting that money back. That was all raised in his name. Where's it going? Just a question. Lynn , John, the worst look. And when, when, when prosecutors act poorly, when Thomas bingers a jerk, when James Crouse is unethical, we call them out here. When you've got some bad shady defense lawyers like these guys. And if you look up John Pierce, Ponzi scheme, there's a guy by the name of Damien Williams, I think is his name or no, that's the attorney general out of SDNY . Ah , what's his name? I follow him on Twitter. There are all sorts of different articles about the layers of debt and the layers of lawsuits that are going after these two guys. And it breaks my stinking heart at good people, gave them money in the name of Kyle Rittenhouse to go fight for him. And that money's not going to go to Kyle Rittenhouse, not going to go to his legal defense. It's going to go in the pockets of these scumbags who are grifting off of entire communities of very good people. Absolutely terrible. So, you know, if I'll leave it at that. All right . So Linwood John Pierce , two scumbag lawyers out there and hopefully some state bars do something about this. Kyle Rittenhouse was the actual client. He went on national TV yesterday and said, they told him to stay in jail and they ripped him off for $2 million. So if there's , uh , any bar entity, any, any bar in any states where these guys work , they should be all over these cases and rip their law, licenses them cause it's reprehensible what they did. Okay. Kyle Rittenhouse continues on in his interview with Tucker Carlson and he talks about BLM and to many people surprise says, I'm also Porter of BLM. Here was Kyle Rittenhouse with Tucker.
Speaker 2I'm not a racist person. I support the BLM movement. I support peacefully demonstrating. And I believe there needs to be change . I believe there's a lot of prosecutorial misconduct, not just in my case, but in other cases. And it's just amazing to see how, how much a prosecutor can take advantage of somebody. Like if they did this to me, imagine what they could have done to a person of color who doesn't maybe have the resources I do, or it's not widely publicized, like my case. What?
Speaker 1So supporter of BLM and then kind of pivots and talks about the idea that , uh , prosecutorial misconduct is a big problem. And as he was speaking about that yesterday, I was , uh , very excited about that because I love talking about prosecutorial misconduct because it happens all the time. It's all over the place. And what we saw in Kyle Rittenhouse, his particular case was not an isolated incident. It's very common. He was just the most recent example of something that we've seen on a national scale. Somebody who was bearing the brunt of those actions. So he says I'm not a racist person, never saw any evidence that was ever proffered, that he was given the fact that all white people were shot in this case, but okay. So it still was something that bubbled up in the middle of August of 2020, Donald Trump is running. And so everything back then under that lens was all about race. Everything was about racism. Doesn't matter what it was. Your sandwich was racist. If you took a bite out of it incorrectly. So you know how it goes. Now, Tucker Carlson continues with another clip and asked specifically about Joe Biden says, you know, a lot of people were calling you, even though you support BLM, a white supremacist, a racist, a bigot xenophobe. In fact, the president, Joe Biden even said that, what do you have to say about that? There, Kyle,
Speaker 3You make of the president United States calling you a white supremacist.
Speaker 2Mr. President, if I could say one thing to you, I would urge you to go back and watch the trial and understand the facts before you make a statement.
Speaker 3That's not a small thing to be called that.
Speaker 2No, it's, it's actual malice defaming my character for him to say something like that.
Speaker 3Well , I mean, why do you think, and it's not simply Biden. Who said that it's a lot of people on television have said that a lot dozens of people have said that, I'm sorry to tell you in case you haven't seen it ,
Speaker 2Uh , it's actually quite hysterical how nobody can go back and look at the facts of the case. He crossed state lines false. He's a white supremacist, false. None of that is true. And the lies that they can just get away with spreading is just sickening. And it's disgraced this body to this country.
Speaker 1Yeah. So an interesting little exchange there, Kyle Rittenhouse is sort of putting on, you know, almost the public speaker hat, somebody who has come out and he's kind of going to be delivering some talking points to some degree, you know, and he's sort of trying to have to balance this public relations nightmare. Somebody who you'll have the country, if you watch CNN and MSNBC and those lunatics, they could still still to this day, continue to say that he was a re a white supremacist doing some sort of racist stuff. I mean, joy Reed w the other day was, you know , ranting about this and it's nuts. But the point here is he's having to put on this, this, this hat, you know, I'm now on Tucker Carlson, I've got to go and have a conversation. I want to make sure that nobody thinks that I am this , uh , ultra nationalist white supremacist. So he comes out and says, look, I support BLM. I don't want dead black people anywhere. Just like, I don't want any dead , anybody anywhere, you know? And so kind of this, this statement now, I don't know if he has done what we have done on this channel and taken a look at the BLM demands that are on their website. And Reddit's because it has almost nothing to do with race. It's all sort of about , uh , Donald Trump and January six , at least the last time we looked at it. So, you know, it's kind of one of these big, broad statements that he's no, I support BLM, but I also am against prosecutorial misconduct. And there's not a disconnect there. You know, I think that a lot of , uh, uh, at least a lot of, you know, version, you know , original BLM was, was birthed out of the idea that there was some injustice that happens in our justice system. And then it morphed into this political narrative that is all anti-Republican and all, you know , ultra basically communist , I don't know what happened there, but there was at one point in this country, a conversation about justice reform, talking about things like qualified immunity and about mandatory sentencing and about cash bail and about all these issues that do impact certain communities and that merit reform. That's where this channel started saying, look, we've got some real things that we need to talk about in our justice system. And Kyle Rittenhouse is a prime example of that in action . Everything that I've been screaming about on this channel for months now over a year now is all about that accountability, because I see what happened in written houses , case happen regularly here at our firm and elsewhere. So he's not wrong. And there's not that big of a disconnect. BLM is morphed into something that's, you know, that's unrecognizable. But I think there was a hint at the very early outs outset about accountability and justice reform, and then it diverged. And so, you know, I like to think that maybe that's what he's talking about. He's talking about the idea that maybe prosecutors have too much power. Maybe the courts do, maybe the big government does. Maybe we don't want every single thing that we do to be a crime anymore. That prosecutors have total power over and I can get behind that statement. So he talks about the president. Tucker Carlson says, you know, a lot of people call you a white supremacist, including Joe Biden and many others. And you have to rewind the memory bank back down memory lane and take a look at this because Joe Biden actually posted this on Twitter, September 30th, 2020, you remember right around the election or right around the time that Kyle Rittenhouse was being extradited 3.7 million views. You can take a look at this puppy. So Joe Biden, United States, government officials, still candidate, Joe Biden. He posted this back. Then he says, there's no other way to put it. The president of the United States refused to disavow white supremacists on the debate stage last night. Okay. Donald Trump refused to disavow the white supremacists. And then he played this video.
Speaker 6Are you willing tonight to condemn white supremacists and militia groups? And to say that they need to stand down and not add to the violence and a number of these studies as we saw in Kenosha. And as we've seen in Portland,
Speaker 7I would say, I would say almost everything I see is from the left wing, not from the right for what are you, what are you, are you saying I'm willing to do anything. I want to see peace do it, sir. I say , do you want to call them ? What do you want to call them? Give me a name. Give me a name of
Speaker 6[inaudible]
Speaker 7Stand back and stand by.
Speaker 1Okay. Watch. All right. So w was that one with the clip? All right . Was that the one where they flashed
Speaker 6Tonight to condemn white supremacists and the militia groups? And to say that they need to stand down and not add to the violence and a number of these studies as we saw in
Speaker 1There it is. There's Kyle. See that right there. There it is. I forgot that on the first go round. So are you willing to condemn white supremacists people like this guy, Kyle Rittenhouse and Jen Saki is going to answer to that for that here in a minute, everybody hang tight in the chart. We have another clip though, from Joe Biden. He's on the interview here with Anderson Cooper, during a separate interview where he gets asked a similar question back during the election.
Speaker 8I don't know enough to know whether that's 17 year old kid , uh, exactly what he did, but allegedly, he's part of a militia coming out of the state of Illinois. Have you ever heard this president say one negative thing about white supremacist ? Have you ever heard it? That's the reason I got back in this race, because what happened in Charlottesville, people coming out of the woods, carrying torches, their veins bulging.
Speaker 1All right. So then , uh, Joe Biden is sort of hinting. You know, that maybe this is white supremacy stuff going on here. Doesn't directly call Joe by , uh, Kyle Rittenhouse, a white supremacist, but is at least hinting at it. So , uh , Jen Saki is in the house. Everybody stand back, stand by here comes the gen Saki clip
Speaker 9Ever apologize to the acquitted Kenosha shooter, Kyle written house for suggesting online and on TV that he is a white supremacy.
Speaker 10Well, let's be clear what we're talking about here. This is about a campaign video released last year that used president Trump's own words during a debate, as he refused to condemn white supremacists and militia groups and president Trump, as we know from history. And as many of you covered, didn't just refuse to condemn militia groups on the debate stage. He actively encourage them throughout his presidency. So , uh, you know, what we've seen are the tragic consequences of that. When people think it's okay to take the law into their own hands, instead of allowing law enforcement to do its job. And the president believes in condemning hatred, division and violence, that's exactly what was done in that video.
Speaker 9If you're saying that it was just a campaign video, it wasn't, the president also gave an interview where he said this written house was part of a militia coming out of Illinois. Have you ever heard this president referring to Trump, say one negative thing about white supremacists? These are all things, none of this was proven in the trial and kind of Rittenhouse is saying that the president had actual malice in defaming his character. Is that what
Speaker 10The president spoke to the verdict? Uh, last week , uh, he has obviously condemned , uh, the hatred and division and violence. We've seen around the country by groups like the proud boys , uh, and groups that , uh, that individual has posed in photos with. Um, but beyond that, I'll leave it to his comments around the verdict .
Speaker 1So you're not going to apologize is what you're saying, not going to happen. Are you , uh, look, we've been consistent about this. Donald Trump is a racist and we condemn violence is what she says. So not going to get any answer out of that, but you can see they were prepared. They knew that Peter Doocy was going to come in hot with one of those Rittenhouse questions. And so Jen Sakhi had the bullet points and said , oh God , one second here, flip it over here. Uh , the , the binder of Joe Biden issues, just a big frigging phone bug Rittenhouse. All right. I was wrong on Rittenhouse to going to all a kill elementary bill T V R Rittenhouse. All right . So you get how it working is working out of the white house. Jen sockies back looks good though. You know, recover from the, COVID glad that she's back and , uh , in business. So , uh , now she's doing cleanup on Rittenhouse. Of course. And Kyle Rittenhouse gets asked about this specifically from Tucker says, you're going to hold these guys accountable. You heard what Joe Biden said, what are you going to do about that? There , Kyle,
Speaker 3The people watching have reached the same conclusion. Um, and they would like to see you, you know, help make this better by holding some of these liars to account. Do you , do you plan to do that?
Speaker 2I have really good lawyers who are taking care of that right now. Um, so I'm hoping one day there'll be some, there'll be accountability for their actions that they did. Okay .
Speaker 3So you're , you're intent on not, you're not gonna let that go.
Speaker 2Like I said, really good lawyers are handling that. Yeah.
Speaker 3Um,
Speaker 1Alright, good lawyers who are handling that, talking about actual malice, talking about the president. People are going to be , uh , going after anybody who is making these claims against Kyle Rittenhouse. And we'll see what happens with those. We also have Tucker Carlson. Now Tucker is asking Kyle Rittenhouse about his thoughts as the trial was continuing on. It says, well, what were you thinking as all this was unfolding right in front of you.
Speaker 3So during the trial, was there ever a point where you thought, despite the fact you had all this video evidence on your side, bolstering your story, did you ever think, you know, I might go to jail for the rest of my life.
Speaker 2That was a thought I had every single day until I got the not guilty verdict. Really? It was cause I didn't, we had it. I don't. Are you aware who John Dimitris is ?
Speaker 3Yes.
Speaker 2Yes. So , um , Joel and selected my jury, which she did an amazing job, but you still have that gut feeling in your stomach and not to where like what if somebody snuck their way onto my jury to convict me. So that was something that always went through my head, but I know where I stand and I know I defended myself. Were
Speaker 3You surprised by
Speaker 2The verdict? I was an , I thought they came to the correct verdict because it wasn't Kyle Rittenhouse on trial and Wisconsin. It was the right to self-defense on trial. And if I was convicted, no one would be able, no one would ever be privileged to defend their life against attackers. And they got, they came to the correct verdict, not guilty.
Speaker 1Okay. So a couple things here, you know, and he's an 18 year old young man. So his , uh , worldview obviously is, is still immature. Most of us are still all trying to figure the world out. Doesn't matter what our age is. So, but you can see a couple interesting contradictions. I would say with his interview here, number one says, I'm not really surprised about what happened. You know, I'm not, not really. I knew it was the right thing. It's self-defense and I knew that it was going to be the outcome because I knew that God was on my side and it was gonna work out for me because I knew what I did was right. But then you kind of compare that with his statement, a couple sentences before that, where he says , um, I couldn't sleep right. I was so petrified every morning. I might wake up and think that I'm going to be convicted and sent to prison for the rest of my life. And so you sort of have this ultimate fear, but you also have this sense of certainty and the sense of calm. And so a little bit of a contradiction there. It's not that both of these things can exist at the same time, right? The human mind is very complex, very easy for people to exist in multiple states and sort of be manic. You know, even, even in a rollercoaster of emotions, ranging from certainty to , uh , confidence that I feel optimistic that my outcome is going to be good at the top, feeling energetic and enthused to come and crashing way down and to having, you know , PTSD episodes where you think about it and you spiral off. And so, you know, some of these are contradictions that you might notice, you know , I give him a big pass on it. He's 18, he's still somebody who's trying to figure this stuff out. And there are a lot of complex issues. And remember that he went through something that, you know , most people hopefully will never, ever have to go through something so traumatic. And so you might have these different layers that to us might seem confusing. You know, that's weird, but it, it, it actually matches up, you know, the human mind is very fluid. The other point that he was talking about. So I mentioned the being surprised. There was another point. I forgot to write it down. I forget what it was. All right. So we'll move on in the next clip. If I remember it, well , it'll keen , it'll keep me off, but he's saying , uh , talking next about the juvenile facility, talking about wanting to be extradited here is Kyle Rittenhouse back on Tucker.
Speaker 2So you're in the juvenile facility or 17, but then you turn 18, you go to Kenosha county jail. Actually I go to Kenosha county jail as I turn as I'm 17. I'm an adult jail at October 31st. I'm extradited, which I agree with. I wanted to go to Kenosha county jail from the beginning. I was extradited to Kenosha county jail. My attorney John pier said, oh, we're going to keep you on a juvenile facility. I always wanted to be extradited. And I had no problem with that, but he forgot to file the stain . He didn't even know I was going. Um, so my attorney didn't know I was going to jail, which is quite sick named because he should have known well, yeah, the whole point of an attorney. Yeah . Right. Thank God I have competent counsel now. Um, but the Jill was interesting .
Speaker 1Yeah. Thank God. I've got competent counsel now and that's an understatement. So totally agree with that. Uh , and he talks about in this next clip, this running water story, which is kind of a weird clip. So apparently when he was in custody for those 87 days, he didn't have running water in his cell and he's sort of in a juvenile facility first, and then he moves into an adult facility and he doesn't actually shower for 87 days. Now it's kind of a weird clip because he says in this, that it sounds like he actually did have running water or at least the possibility for running water. It's just the water wasn't running. So we had a faucet, presumably had a toilet because that would be some running water. There is all , you know, it depends, depending on the jail, it might be part of the same unit. You have sort of a sink and a toilet, all built into the thing. And they just shoved that in the corner, back in the corner of a jail cell. So if he has a toilet, there's water coming into the toilet to the toilets and presumably, well, I don't know what happened there, but he didn't shower. It sounds like for 87 days, here's what Kyle Rittenhouse said .
Speaker 2I have competent counsel now. Yeah . Um, but the Jill was interesting. I was in my own room. It was kind of like a , like a once . I'm going to describe it as a one-star hotel, one star hotel, we'll go with a super eight, super eight. I had a desk, I had a shower, I had a toilet, I had a TV, I had a tablet. Um, but I didn't have running water seriously. I had a phone also, but I did not have running water. So I didn't shower until November 20th. How warm October 30th. First to November 20th, I did not take a shower. Let's discuss it at a very , um , I smelled terrible. I felt sick. I lost a weight. My health was degrading. Um, if I was in there for a month longer, I would have probably been in a hospital. We had to running water, no running water in my jail cell.
Speaker 1Yeah. So that's , uh , that's an interesting clip. So not sure what that was about, you know, he goes on, he says, I don't want, I don't, I didn't want to ruffle any feathers. So I didn't tell anybody about this. And so, you know , you look at that and you go, well, you absolutely should have, you know, or he's a 17 year old kid, he's going through a traumatic experience. And so you got to cut him a little bit of slack on that type of stuff. Now they Tucker Carlson continues and says, did they let you out? I mean, you know, if you didn't shower, if you don't have running water or if you can't flush a toilet or whatever, you know, did they let you out? Here's what he says.
Speaker 2Did you, did he let you out to talk with my attorneys? I didn't really say anything about my running water because I'm not, I don't like to bring attention to myself. I don't want to try any problems with any of the guards. Um , so I was like, I'm just gonna , I'm just going to shut up and not mention that I don't have running water. Um, but I did shower for until November 20th. And when I showered my , I showered for like, I took like a three hour shower. I had like blood, my skin was bleeding because my skin was coming off of my body. It was just the nastiest thing ever. And I feel bad for Dave. Who's been with me through the beginning. Who's helped start free Kyle usa.org. I feel bad for him because he had to deal with my smell for that three hour car ride. So I give him all the credit in the world.
Speaker 1All right. So , uh, another clip now they move on and they say, Hey Kyle. So , uh, you know, what do you want to do from here? And so he sort of transitions out and he gives Arizona a shout out. Let's listen in.
Speaker 2I'm hoping I can live a quiet stress-free life , um, and not, and be free of any intimidation, her or harassment. And just go on with my life as a normal 18 year old kid attending college,
Speaker 3You're
Speaker 2Going to go to college. I am in college. I'm a student at Arizona state university.
Speaker 3Well , I mean, are you going to go to campus? And
Speaker 2I think I am. I want to , um, it's a lot of things we have to look into. So I don't know for sure yet, but I do intend on going in campus and pursuing a career in nursing. I may change it . I've been looking into law. I may want a lawyer. I haven't completely decided yet, but I've been looking, I want to be a nurse. So I've been just doing the prerequisites for that.
Speaker 3Do you think you can have that, that you can live peacefully in this country? Unmolested ?
Speaker 2I hope so, but I can't read the future. Um, I'm hoping that people go back in and understand the facts and be like, watch the trial, watch the PR prosecutorial misconduct that I believe happened and realize that I was an innocent 17 year old, who was violently attacked and defended myself
Speaker 3Because you wanted to clean graffiti and protect a Carlyle .
Speaker 2And apparently , um , a lot of people on the left it's criminal to want to protect your community. Do you feel like your
Speaker 3Life's been destroyed by this?
Speaker 2I feel my life has been extremely defamed by it. I don't think I would be able to go out and get a job and not have to deal with harassment, but I'm at a place now to where I can't . I have to have people with me because people want to kill me just because I defended myself and they're , they're too ignorant to look at the facts of what happened.
Speaker 1All right. So let's do a quick recap on Kyle Rittenhouse. So somebody who is wanting to come to Arizona, go to Arizona state university, beyond campus, somebody who kind of, you know, interested in nursing, that's fine, but also might have a strong desire to be a lawyer. Whoa , that's interesting. Somebody who has railed against prosecutorial misconduct has been the victim of prosecutorial misconduct has been charged with crimes, has been acquitted of crime crimes and is going to be right here in our backyard in Arizona and interested in the law. Well, Kyle, we've got a pretty good internship program here at the RNR law group. We're located in Scottsdale just about 10 minutes north of Arizona state university. And so we're always looking for amazing new talent here to come in and learn a little bit more about criminal law in the state of Arizona. And we'd love to have you my friend. So give us a call. Ooh, isn't it interesting home. The universe kind of brings things full circle. Kyle Rittenhouse might be right down the street next semester. Oh, I just love it. It's hilarious. And so maybe we'll see if our paths cross at some point in the future. But the final question that we have from Tucker is , uh , are you confident that your government can CRA , uh, protects you moving forward? Here's what Kyle says about that.
Speaker 3Are you confident that the government will protect you from these threats? Cause that's of course the government's job.
Speaker 2I hope so, but we all know how the FBI works. Yeah.
Speaker 3I mean, looking back, it's been, you know, a year and a half less than even, this is not the life that you planned.
Speaker 2No , hopefully it is far from the life I planned . This is, this is something that I wish never would have happened, but it did. And we can't change that, but how it's spent . So how it polarized, how polarized it became is absolutely sickening, like right. Or left people using me for a cause that should never have been used as a cause I read that.
Speaker 1Okay. So that was the second point that I forgot to make earlier. I knew it was going to come back up, but it's , it's the idea that he is being used as a cause. And so he kind of, he kind of straddles this line a little bit during his interview on the one hand saying, you know, I am sort of a symbol of a cause, you know, I am, yes, I was on trial, but I was also , uh , cause if I get convicted self-defense is not a right anymore. If I get convicted, this is going to have ramifications that, that trickle throughout the entire United States. So it is bigger than me. It is this big movement and it was critically important. The jury made the right decision, says Kyle Rittenhouse, but also simultaneously kind of is a little bit critical of being used for a cause. Did you see how that happened? And I don't disagree with him on this, but you , you can, you can make a note of this contradiction to some degree you can say, well, Lynwood said you were caused , John Pierre said you were cause all of the people were getting behind you to say that we're the reason the whole country was behind you is because of the cause. And you wouldn't have raised $2 million if it wasn't for the cause. You know? And so it's kind of living in, in, in both of these worlds and you can see that it's a complicated situation. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, you know , raising these to be critical of Kyle Rittenhouse. I think that what he is doing here, I think he's handling himself incredibly well. You know, I was thinking about this for even the jurors. I mean, gage gross crits has been on a number of different media interviews since this happened and, and here's Kyle Rittenhouse and you can put these two people side by side and you can just, who do you want? Who do you want , um, checking on your dogs when you go out on vacation, coming over and picking up the mail and making sure that the fish get fed Kyle Rittenhouse or gage gross grits and Kyle's handing himself handing themselves very well. Gage is twice as age and he's, you know, impressive guy for what he's been through. I got to say impressive stuff. And so let's see what you have to say about this interview from our friends over@watchingthewatchersdotlocals.com news. Now Wyoming, it says , uh, so, oh, we've got an update on Arbery. So Arbery apparently got sent home. Um, the jurors got sent home, so they're going to be doing deliberation. Haven't seen a verdict on that news now says I'm at 50 50 for Brian being found guilty. It would be reasonable for the jury to find him guilty. I still don't see malice murder for any of them. So many attorneys all over arguing that the judge's ruling on the citizen's arrest since the defense put their entire case on that argument before the jury instruction discussions, if an appeals court found error in it, would it be bad enough error to send them back to trial? I think so. Yeah. I mean, I think so because everything is conditioned on that decision, the defense conceded during opening statements that they didn't meet the first lines, their PowerPoint, they actually crossed it out like this doesn't matter for the judge to suddenly rule it is required to move to. The second paragraph is huge. And it almost seems like this question should have been raised in pretrial motions. Yeah, probably. Yeah. That's a good question news now. Uh, probably we're going to swap back over to Arbery probably tomorrow. I think news now says, no, we got that one. I'll re we'll we'll go into Aubrey tomorrow. Thanks. Uh, somebody says, thanks. Hi, Rob. Very pleased to have watched all the Rittenhouse coverage along with the analysis you have provided. However, I'm feeling a little in the dark about the current political and other news going on. Would it be possible to sprinkle in some stinky Joe in his Legion of flatulence and his crappy administration news in a couple of weeks? Yeah, probably. I think so. We're sort of in trial season right now, you know, there wasn't , there weren't many trials to cover and now we've got Glen Maxwell and we've got the Arbery and we've got Rittenhouse . It's sort of the end of the year. They're trying to cram a bunch of trials in before Thanksgiving into for new year's the courts all closed down for Christmas. So that is why you're seeing sort of a high, high compression of , uh , cases, cases. But yeah, you're right. We can, we can certainly get back to , uh, our friend Joe VNC kiss says, man, Tucker Carlson's laugh is goofier than mine. He has a , he has kind of a hunk doesn't eat and I love Tucker, but he kind of hunks kind of a thing. The grouchy old cat lady says, no wonder all the J six defendants are still in jail. Pierce is the attorney for most of them per business insider today. And I think he's just been gone with the wind. I don't know what happened to him. He blocked me on Twitter. I can't see if you Antica says a lot of people are calling Lynwood a grifter speaking to things that totally aren't grifting. What was the NRA doing this whole time? Oh, that's right. Last I heard they were dealing with their own lawsuit. Yeah. You know, a lot of the Republicans were all the Republicans out here standing up for Kyle Rittenhouse where all these people standing up for the second amendment, it's been pretty much quiet from a lot of the elected mainstream Republicans, all just kind of letting it go by the wayside. Isn't it? A grouchy old cat lady says, oops, it was on NPR that John Pierce is representing a lot of the J Sixers news now says, here's the only thing John Pierce has written on Twitter. Let's take a look at this. Let's see if we've got, I suppose I could have created a separate account or something, but here's what John peer says. Ah , thank you, Joel. This is November 22nd. So this is last night for a terrific Sunday night interview. 15 months after the first one, exclusive former Rittenhouse lawyer . Hope Kyle will file numerous defamation claims. Thank you, Joel. Polack who is the editor over at Breitbart for a terrific Sunday night interview. 15 months after the first one. Not guilty self. I don't know what that means. It's weird, dude. John Pierce , a weird dude. I don't know what that's all about. Okay. So he saw, it sounds like ice Wolf says I missed it other than I missed it. Other than that, thank you for your reporting. And everyone have a happy Thanksgiving going to be down your way, but we'll not be able to visit you. Sorry, Robert. Well then, you know, what's the point. I'm not even going to Thanksgiving anymore. It's canceled ice Wolf . Can't be here. Rational. Gay says I was under the impression that John Pierce was dead or something. Wasn't his brother-in-law going into court and handling cases on his behalf until a judge said , um, you're not a lawyer. Yeah. It was actually a law student. We covered that here on this channel, rational gaze you've been around for awhile . Yeah, he's he , he sent his like law school students in to handle cases. And the prosecutors finally were like, judge, we've been trying to work with this young man. He's great. He's smart as hell. We love him. He's doing a great job, but he's not licensed. And we kind of think this might be a problem for the defendants who need a lawyer. So we're bringing this to your attention. And then John Pierce apparently had COVID and then was, you know , absconded by terrorists being held hostage by ISIS K and the Taliban in Afghanistan. Sergeant Bob says, if Kyle needs more money, how can we be sure that our donations go to the right place? I don't know Sergeant Bob, so I wouldn't donate , uh, you know, unless you're absolutely sure that you know where it's going, unless cattle Rittenhouse comes out and says , uh , right there, I'd be very skeptical about it now, because I think a lot of this stuff is sort of being held in escrow and they're going to fight it all. They're going to fight it out in court. It's millions of dollars, millions, huge case three girls. He says, I find that interesting that Lynn would went so far as to say that someone was feeding false information to Kyle. I was thinking he might actually go so far as to say, Kyle is lying and I'm going to Sue him for defamation. Sounds like a slime ball . Only surpassed by John Pierce . Yeah. A couple of really bad own braids out there to use Trump's word three girls. He says, remember the Kyle's mother raised a half, a million dollars and put it into that fund. Richard's already said that there was going to be another fight over the bail and who gets it. I really hope that all of the bail is given to Kyle. You think Lynnwood and John, I don't even know. Look, nobody even knows if that money is still in the bank account at this point. And you're going to have a lot of different lawyers fighting over it. It's wild. Your pal, Jerry Nadler says, Rob, I wonder if Kyle publicly stated he supports BLM in order to use as evidence that he is not a white supremacist in possible future defamation suits. It's a good, it's a good , um , statement. You know, typically lawsuits like this, they don't, they don't, they don't rely too much on posts statements. I'm trying to think of a good example of where this might apply, but it's like, you know, if you have a contract breach, that's not a good example, but here here's, the courts are not going to say, oh, we know as evidence that you're not a white supremacist because we , we heard you on Tucker Carlson, they're going to have to, to show that there was no proof. When the government made that statement, they were making it with actual malice. There was no evidence whatsoever. The white supremacy or racism was involved in this case at all. And they continued to bring it up and make campaign videos about it. So that from their perspective, they just needed to show that there was no basis for that. And in fact, it was done with actual malice because they had a reason for it. They wanted to capitalize on the Rittenhouse fervor to , to further their political ends. That's where the harm comes into play. Sergeant Bob says, Saki is a coyote, ugly liar. If you do not know that term, I will explain. So there was a movie called coyote, ugly wasn't there. It was like a bar or something like that. That's all I know. Monster one says to answer Biden's question. Has Trump ever said anything bad about white supremacists? Uh , yes. About 150 times. Many times I disavow them. I disown them. I want nothing to do with all the time repeatedly, almost on a daily basis, but that's not good. Enough news now says, so Saki says the president feels people should let police do what they're supposed to do that I miss where the Kenosha police protected anybody or anything last year that I miss where the governor helped in any way. Exactly. What did the government do to help the innocent people of Kenosha? I guess I am really just confused by what we you're supposed to quote, let the government take care of it. Well, news now, obviously you didn't get how they do things in Wisconsin, in Wisconsin, Crouse . He you're supposed to duke it out and you can only use self-defense. If you're on the verge of death, if you see your soul leaving your body, even then, I'm not sure if you can shoot somebody in that situation. Cause you, you could probably try to pull it back in. You know, I don't know. It's complicated out of there. That's from news. Now, John Dolores says Kyle Rittenhouse for president, great kid. Look, you can see him running like a , like in the AOC model type of a thing. Young, super huge social media presence. Millions of dollars of, you know, small donors, people. That'll just say whatever Kyle says , um , for it, you know? So he could , you could put up , you could drop him into any congressional district and he'd probably win . Monster one says is absolutely disgusting. How they always want to throw the proud boys name. The proud boys are not the ones burning down the cities. How about calling out the actual violent people there? Jenny. Good to see you. Monster one. Let's see what else we've got. DG. McBride is here. Says make no mistake. I believe the jury reached the correct decision, but Kyle's media blitz is a little uncomfortably early on top of that. His appearance on Tucker seemed a little too polished for an 18 year old bordering on smugness. Ooh , DG , McBride. I can , I can see where you're getting that can see a little thread in there. No doubt about it. I think he did. He did like he did excellent. Right ? Did very well. Almost a little too good is what DG is saying. I don't disagree. The Antica says, what are your thoughts on self-defense being in law versus more explicit text in the constitution? Um, well I don't know a anti cause . That's a good question. I mean, I think that it is soar . You know, it's a good, it's a good question. I think that it would, it would depend on the formulation of self-defense. You know, if you're , anytime you're tinkering with the constitution, I've got a lot of problems with that, you know? Cause it can go one way or the other. You can see this when you study law, you know, they, they will, you'll find these Supreme court judges that will latch onto one specific phrase and they will interpret it. However they want to, even though it's at odds with the direct reading of the constitution. So for example, right, Roe vs . Wade w where did that framework come from? Oh right out of the judges minds. They say it came out of the constitution, but you can't point to it anywhere in the constitution. So you could, for example, point self-defense puts self-defense in there, but then how it's interpreted is still left to the courts. The courts are going to decide what the law is and what it says. And so, you know, you might be able to put it in there, but you know, we have the right to keep and bear arms in there explicitly in the second amendment. It's obvious it's right there. You can't miss it. And we still, until DC versus Heller, we're fighting all over that, you know about, do you have a right to actually possess guns in Washington, DC? So just because it's in the constitution, doesn't mean you're going to have a law , you know, a bunch of bureaucrats in robes changing it. Sergeant Bob says, we'll buy him a nice dinner in Arizona. We're going to do a , uh , a , uh , watching the Watchers meetup in person. Maybe Kyle can come to that news now says about Kyle becoming an attorney. I know state bars, look at your character to see if you can be an attorney. I see nothing wrong with any of his actions. However, I can see how some people may disagree with me. How likely is it? If he tries to join the bar in the wrong state for this to keep him from being an attorney? It's a great question. So there's a process that you go through called character and fitness in order to become a lawyer when, and I'm licensed in Arizona and in California. So I've done this twice. Now, got to pass the bar exam Arizona. It's a two day test, California three-day test, and then that's not it. So you've got to go through this entire background check where they, I think I had to go through the FBI and you know , 10 fingerprints on both sides, photographs, the whole deal. And they comb through everything credit reports and all your records and every single traffic ticket that you've ever gotten. You have to disclose it. If they find something you didn't disclose, that's worse than what you actually did disclose. And so that investigation process can take a long time reference letters and people need to vouch for your character and all this stuff. It's a big process. And so one of the things they asked for of course, is criminal record criminal conviction. You ever been convicted of a crime. Kyle Rittenhouse has not, but he does have a big issue that he was charged with a crime and the state bar. I don't think he has any basis to keep him out. I mean, if you went through this, you could even, you, you, you you've seen people convicted of felonies that have been allowed to practice law, even with a conviction. Kyle Rittenhouse does not. I don't think if he had problems, I'd have a problem with him having problems. I don't think there should be any reason why he should not be allowed to practice law. Black cat Meow says, Hey, Rob dot Kyle did a great job on Tucker. Sure. There were a few inconsistencies here and there, but he's 18 carried himself very well. Looking forward to seeing the documentary. I can't get over how his previous attorneys and how they treated him. It makes me sick that lawyers can get away with this treatment girl , I guess. No real question. Just a couple comments. Thank you for your great coverage. Well thank you, black cat, Meow. I agree with you. It makes my blood boil. When people take advantage of people that are relying on them for their trust and their honor and their integrity. Kyle is 17. Mom is, you know, however old she is never been through this before they go to Linwood , they go to John Pierce , we are desperate. We need your help. We do not know what to do. This is the worst situation in our lives. We need help. And they say, perfect. I've got a solution for you. Here's what we're going to do. We're going to keep your son in jail for 87 days. How's that sound? Well, that doesn't sound right. Trust me. This is going to be how we win this case. We're going to throw him in his cell and raise a bunch of money to bail them out. Even though he can't be bailed out because it's a non bondable offense. Morons makes my blood boil and they're taking advantage of somebody who, you know, shouldn't be taken advantage of a Nancy Pelosi's fund bags is here. Sick three Gurley's is here, says every jail and prison cell that I've worked in the shower is not in the room. It only had a sink and a toilet, which are one unit in order to shower, inmate would have to go to the showers in the pod, always alternated inmates every day , other showers. I'm not sure how he got away with 87 days without a shower. I could have been wrong on that. I don't know if it was a full 87 or couple of weeks or whatever, but I mean, his skin was peeling off his body. He said, so I'd imagine it's on the longer end of things. We had the track, the inmate showers, if they hadn't showered for a week, they would be highly encouraged in different ways to get a shower. If they still chose to not take a shower, they would be provided a shower. Not of their showering is absolutely necessary because of the spread of disease within the units. He said that his skin was falling off. So it makes me wonder if he has a skin disease or infection or got one while he was there. If he was able to see his lawyers, why didn't his lawyers point out that he had not had a shower? You could smell inmates after a week with no shower , surprise . He did not complain to his attorneys that he had no shower. Yeah. It's a weird part of his story. And I don't understand that because when you go down and meet with your clients at the jails, yeah . You see the jails are stinky places. It's just the reality of the, of the facility. They're not comfortable. He said, they're one-star facilities. He's not wrong. They are not great. But your lawyer is somebody who can field all these questions and deal with it. But again, he was dealing with scumbags named John Pierce and Lynwood Nadler says , uh , Barnes says, David Hancock is controlling Kyle and his money. And he's not a fan. Well, that makes two of him Barnes , Linwood . Doesn't like him. Kyle seems to like him a lot says that he drove him and his stinky self back where he needed to be. When is the next monthly meeting? Somebody asks December 11th. We're going to get there in one quick, second monster. One says, I don't know why so many people are surprised by Kyle saying he supports BLM . I'm pretty sure he's on video. The night of the shooting saying as much miles away says regarding other topics, Rob , hypothetically, will it take a trial for you? Cover people if they were able to present evidence, evidence. Okay. Regarding other topics, Rob , hypothetically, will it take a trial for you? Cover people if they were able to present evidence as to why they refuse to take the jab , not dissing you , Rob, but you are so great at digging into the facts. You know, there's a cover-up right. Um, I think what you're asking miles away and I apologize is if I'll cover the facts of the vaccine stuff. Yes. If there's a lawsuit and we can talk about it on YouTube, I will, I absolutely will. Or if I can't talk about it on YouTube, we'll talk about it on locals. But I haven't seen a scientific lawsuit about that, but I'm having I'll talk about anything really. I mean the only, the only bottleneck is my time. So I just have to sort of select stuff that first of all is interesting to you. Secondly, is interesting to me and that we can have good conversations about I'm always open to suggestions. I'll cover, I'll cover anything. That's interesting for all of us. Oh no. Five. Oh says Rittenhouse . His life has been ruined by a cadre of bad actors from Biden on down. He had lawyers who were less than honest. The prosecutors were appalling. The one person who has stood through this with character has been written how sad that a 17 year old boy under this dress sets the example to the adults. Oh no five out . It really does feel that way. You know, he has been sort of the most mature person in this whole thing. Even his lawyers got him an acquittal, but you still were kind of looking at it. And you're kind of like, you know, there were some things there that I didn't like, but they got the big w so that's what matters. Sergeant Bob says coyote with a leg caught in a trap , will chew off the lake to escape. If I was drunk and ended up in bed with Saki and woke up with my arm under her, I would have to be like a coyote rather than Waker so that I could yet, Sergeant Bob, that's just outstanding that you just said that we've all been in that situation where you want to chew your arm off in order to get out of something. And , uh , I love it. That yours involves Jen Saki . There are other people in this community that would, would , would , would give an arm to be in that same position. They'd chew off their other arm to get tucked away under Jen Saki . And you know who I'm talking about over there on YouTube levy bucks says something smells fishy about this. I'm not carrying water for Lynnwood or John Pierce. It definitely sounds like they use him as a cash cow rather than a client. However, it seems to me that he is still being used in such a way. A lot of his responses in this interview seem rehearse . There was a moment during the interview just after he finished a response. When he glanced up to the left with a questioning, look on his face, seemed to be looking at someone behind the camera quote. Did I see that? I say the right thing. I saw that leafy bug. I did see that. And who set this whole interview up along with the embedded camera crew that followed them around? Clearly a lot of money is changing hands. Here is this the kind of thing an 18 year old would put in place while he's staring down the barrel of life in prison? I know Robert Barnes has spoken a lot about this, suggested that this Dave character might be the person behind it, what he's all about. And it may be, he doesn't have Kyle's best interests at heart. Yeah. I mean, look, leafy bug. You're exactly right about this. You know, and there are rules about a lot of this that exists in criminal procedure. You know, you can't like there are media rules, you know, you, can't sort of, they , they want to disincentivize lawyers from doing outrageous things in the case to make it outrageous so that they can turn around and sell the media rights of the case. They don't want lawyers to be thinking about Hollywood first and their clients. Second. They want them to be thinking about their clients first. And if the case concludes well, and it's interesting after the fact, and you want to write a book about it and turn it into a movie, that's nice. That's litter. You can think about that later down the line. But first things first when the criminal trial is progressing and there's rules about this. And so, you know, there's good reason for those rules because a lot of people will pick on people like Kyle they'll take advantage of them because they see dollar signs. They don't care about him going to prison. What do they care? Kyle Rittenhouse, roaming free $2 million in Lynwood's bank account. What does he care? So gotta be very cognizant about this. You know, people are gonna take advantage of people, especially when they're vulnerable. Monster one says, Rittenhouse Sandman for president 2040. Now they gotta be 35. So yeah, it's gotta be pushed out quite a ways. News now says, why, what does it take to be considered a public figure is being charged with a high profile case on its, does Kyle risk raising himself to that level of public figure just by doing these interviews? So I think that, yes, arguably now, yes, he, you know, he , he is sort of availing himself of that spotlight. That's kind of what they're looking for. Somebody who is, you know, actively availing themselves as being a public figure, can't turn around then and claim. Well, I'm not a public figure and therefore the defamation standards should be lower. It doesn't require actual malice. Kyle Rittenhouse news. Now your question is great, but he's sort of, he's already sort of elevating himself to the actual malice standard, which is what he's talking about. So he's talking about defamation of a public figure, actual malice, not just regular defamation, regular negligence, actual malice. So he's saying even if you consider me to be a public figure, it's still defamation. And I think he's right, but I would relate it back to the incident on the night of this incident. He was absolutely not a public figure, not in any way, shape or form. In fact, he wanted to be famous, raw , just trying to be famous, bro. And he was not able to , uh , be a public figure at that moment. And as that happened, he sort of elevated into a public figure, not anything to do with his own availing of the cameras, but because he was sort of thrust into it. And at that moment they were defaming him. The Antica says I'm not on the bandwagon of Kyle being a hero, but he has done a lot. He's done more than a lot of people have done for their community. I I'm also not on this idea of, he shouldn't have been there. It goes back to that quote about letting people go after the people that you don't have an immediate interest in. Yeah. I think that's fair to be antichrist . I mean, I don't think you need to be a cheerleader doing Cartwheel wheels for Kyle Rittenhouse, but he is, you know, he's a very interesting figure. Somebody who's been through a lot. I think we can learn a lot from his ordeal and we're going to see a lot more of him, thankfully, because there was a good outcome in the case. But yeah, I mean, I don't think that I try not to cheerlead for anybody, but everybody deserves a fair shake and you can have, you know , a conversation about what Kyle Rittenhouse has added to the national zeitgeists the national conversation about all these issues, which are critically important. So, you know, I'm grateful that we have this opportunity in this country to talk about these issues and really to see prosecutorial misconduct on full display for all of the country. Former Leo says very tough to establish what self-defense is self-defense for Pee-wee Herman, very different than self-defense for iron Mike Tyson. That's the job of the prosecution to make good to see you. Former C Davis says Kyle was without a shower only in Kenosha. So it was about three to four weeks. Okay. So narrowing it down, not 87 days, but three to four weeks. That's a long time Richard Juul says , uh, please stop hating on Linwood . He cleared my name and saved my life. So I'll look into that. Look, I'm not saying that, oh, this is an actual person. Here's Lynn here's Richard Juul, American security guard, law enforcement officer bombs. Somebody's trial by media. Let's see exoneration, Janet Reno was involved. Um , okay, so I'll take a look at that later. Thanks for submitting that. Let's see a couple more before we got to hop on out of here, we've got monster. One says they absolutely have cells with shower in them. I've been in several jails that have them. They use them for people in protective custody, suicide watch, and disciplinary reasons. I personally been in one of those cells after a fight. So there , yeah , multiple different versions of this. And I don't think that I don't think that either, you know, let let's, let's wrap it up. Saki says underneath all that red hair and makeup is pure gray. That sucks the life out of everything around it and turns its lies into. And then we have the Antica says four doors, more whores , 20, 44, best slogan ever. It's true. It's like , um , what's that movie? Idiocracy four doors. More horrors . 2044. Kyle Rittenhouse. Yeah. America. And the DOB says, dang, do you have, do you pick a time to start to show the same way Kyle picked jury members? Just kidding. Just kidding. Have a good one. It is true. My schedule is very dynamic. It's very fluid. Tuesdays. I go early and then some days I get it . It's anywhere between four to six Arizona time. It's when it's going to happen, I'm going to try to get more consistent. I promise in the near future we had over on YouTube. We have news. Now Wyoming says, I want to watch Kraus get interviewed on the view. Let them cry with him . Oh my gosh. I hope that would be so good to see Kraus on with all the ladies on the view. Just amazing. We have, Jacob says I gave Pierce and would money for Kyle's bond. This is disgusting. They abused Kyle. Now I have to wonder if they stole my money. I donated Look, Jacob. I don't know, man. You know, you , you, you donated with the intention of saving Kyle Kyle got saved. I still think there should be an accounting. I think that probably those guys have every intention of running away with hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not millions of dollars. So there's a good likelihood that yeah, it was stolen. We've got Brad Peterson, no question, but with a nice donation. Thank you, Brad. We have CSS riding the high thinking that he's been vindicated. He's going to be confronted with both internal, external doubt, the rest of his life. I just hope people stop trying to handle him and let him grow. I agree with that big time. See us. I think that, you know, this was traumatic and he collapsed in court on Friday. He's probably riding a little bit of an emotional high right now. You know, we have these waves that we go through in our lives, ups and downs. He's on this emotional high, but that's gonna , you know , that's going to crash at some point or I hope not. I hope he sort of, you know, finds his equilibrium, but just imagine from an emotional perspective, almost going to prison on Friday for the rest of your life, to now on Tucker Carlson on Monday morning, you know, prepping an interview, that's an emotional roller coaster . And so we all experienced this, but Kyle Rittenhouse has been very high highs and very low lows. And so you've got to , you know, if you want people to kind of modulator after the tumultuous times of a trial, kind of take it easy, regained your equilibrium before you gain your bearings before you go out there. But he did a nice job yesterday. You know what I mean? He's been, he's been living with this for a long time. So , uh, that was from CS. Jonathan Dugger says waiting for the government to do something good is like waiting for Joe Biden to say something coherent, never going to happen, but people still keep waiting. You know , they keep turning on the channel or they're kind of watching for the opposite. Now when he makes it seven minutes through a speech, everybody's like, wow, he made it pretty good. Yeah. That's pretty good. Yeah . Seven minutes. Well, he went 11 minutes today . Woo . It's pretty good. So , uh, it , it's kind of going the opposite effect. You know, if he can, if he can stand for 11 minutes , uh, at the white house, it's pretty amazing. We have a true one to show me that there's not the pressure or a bit of a care says the vultures claiming to be on his side, make me angrier than the ones who are right out against him . Yes. The enemy within is greater than the enemy without you know who the enemy without is , but it's hard to identify the enemy within J says, thank you for all your great questions. I truly appreciate this community, which is that they weren't my great questions. They were the community's great questions. And I agree with you. They were great questions and they're a lot of fun. And I am also on board . I love this community. We have a lot of fun here on the show. Glad that you got to join us. J Tina Johnson also with a donation. Thank you, Tina. And finally we've got John CUNA is here , uh , with another donation. No question on that. And that is perfect timing. We got two more questions on locals. Kincaid says, I hope everyone has a good Thanksgiving. Check out a band called poly FEA . They're just so dang. Good. Sorry. I'm going to pull them up right now. I'll take a listen to them. And then we had one more from our friends@watchingthewatchersdotlocals.com . Yoda says, does Kyle have a case of malpractice against those two shysters? I think certainly a bar complaint against them would be well in order for telling him to stay in prison for 87 days or jail for 87 days, that would be well warranted. Um, I think a proper accounting of all the legal fees that were recruited. I think that if money was donated to him and they are in , in possession of that, that he might have a good claim for why he should be entitled to that. And so those would be different lawsuits that he might be able to bring forward, but I'm not a civil lawyer and I don't the details, but yeah , I mean he got taken advantage of egregiously and the law doesn't typically like that. So I think he will have some recourse, whatever that turns out to be. We have our monthly locals meetup taking place. Saturday, December 11th, all the questions came over from our community over here. And so mark the calendar down, my friends Saturday, December 11 , seven to 8:00 PM Eastern time. Wait, is that right? That's not right. It's going to be six, six to eight. No, no, no. Six to 7:00 PM. Yeah, the time zone . Okay. So it's December 11th. It's at 6:00 PM. Eastern time is when it's going to be. And guess what folks, it's a very special watching the Watchers monthly meetup because for the month of December, it's going to be the ugly sweater edition . That's right. December 11th, 6:00 PM. Eastern time, come and join us on zoom where you're ugly. Christmas sweater. I absolutely have one. We're going to want to see them on display. For those of you not familiar with our monthly meetups there , a lot of fun. We get to sort of put names to faces. It's on zoom. Come with your camera's on camera's off. Doesn't matter to me. Use your real name. Use a pseudonym. Also doesn't matter to me. We just want to get to connect with one another and put names to faces and share questions. And so you can ask a question even without your camera on no problem at all, but it is a lot of fun. We just hang out for a couple hours and chat it up over@watchingthewatchersdotlocals.com. Ivan Ramirez with a Superchat says Wisconsin. Prosecutors. Did you watch making a murderer on Netflix? I did. I have very interesting, a very interesting documentary. And I , uh, was that in Wisconsin? I forgot. I want to welcome some new members who joined us over@watchingthewatchersdotlocals.com. We've got Aldo , the Apache, Carrie C 7 1 5 Gino's SCRA job. We've got rugger bugger, J marquee , Katniss , Brody son squirrel Ono . Five-O P pal in red beard, Manique . Nicole, Dr . Facebook law. We've got hobo. Jim mom , Beano WV. Right Ridge writer , mayhem studios, Ben Tomlinson, Laurel seven 20 unsheathed Tucker grab Tommy nukes , Fantasma, Gloria bat , black cat Meow . Nick McLeod . Dr. Brenton. We've got T Blakemore Patriot minute. Chris C 1 2 3, Dr. Sammy D pub crawl. Julie fluffers woods await karaoke princess, not the great Cora Coco Overton transparency, misses and Lynn desert pirate. BJR Jay Bhatt , DC gen David Orndorff, drew Johann nicety miles' breed and time Lords do test are 22 T O G Raul and Coronas . Uh , dare woo . And that is it for me, my friends, all of those amazing people are@ourcommunityoveratwatchingthewatchersdotlocals.com . I hope you consider joining us. We do live streams there a few times a week during the mornings, just to have mid day chats. There are a lot of fun today. We talked about some leftover questions from yesterday and we talked about the Glen Maxwell case. I've got a lot more Glenn Maxwell updates coming soon. So make sure you stick around and subscribe. Otherwise my friends that is it for me. See right back here. Same time, same place tomorrow. 5:00 PM. Arizona time. 7:00 PM. No , no, no, no. Well, you'll figure it out. 4:00 PM. Arizona time, 6:00 PM Eastern or 5:00 PM. 7:00 PM. Eastern, somewhere in there, depending on how the day goes, but I will see you tomorrow. Sleep very well. Have a wonderful evening rest. Well, my friends. Bye bye .