In a surprise announcement, New York Governor Andrew Cuomo resigned from office. We review the reaction from the White House and elsewhere. What’s next for Cuomo? January 6th Defendant George Tanios win an appeal and is released from custody after being held in unnecessarily for months. Epstein accuser Virginia Giuffre files a lawsuit against Prince Andrew for damages from an underage assault – we review the case and the complaint.
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🔵 New York Governor Andrew Cuomo (D-NY) resigns after facing increased scrutiny over sexual harassment allegations.
🔵 In an interesting press conference, Former Governor Cuomo says that he is a fighter before announcing his resignation.
🔵 President Joe Biden responds, saying that he respects the governor’s decision to resign but that he did a great job on certain things, like infrastructure.
🔵 Reporters needle President Biden over his praise for the former governor when he is an alleged sexual harasser.
🔵 REWIND: Hollywood celebrities fawn over Governor Cuomo when he was useful.
🔵 Lt. Governor Kathy Hochul vows she is prepared to lead as New York’s first female governor.
🔵 What’s next? Albany sheriff launches criminal investigation after former Cuomo aide Brittany Commisso files a criminal complaint.
🔵 January 6th Defendant George Pierre Tanios wins an Appeal from the U.S. Court of Appeals in the D.C. Circuit and is ordered to be released from custody.
🔵 RECAP: Who are George Tanios and Julian Khater and what was their involvement on January 6th?
🔵 Review of the Opinion from the Court of Appeals which orders Tanios to be released from custody subject to home detention and ankle monitoring.
🔵 Review of the Federal Court docket for upcoming court dates in U.S. vs. George Tanios.
🔵 Jeffrey Epstein's accuser Virginia Giuffre files a lawsuit against Prince Andrew, Queen Elizabeth’s second son, over abuse allegations.
🔵 RECAP: Who are Prince Andrew, Duke of York, and Virginia Roberts Giuffre?
🔵 Ms. Giuffre is being represented by David Boies, a Time magazine recognized lawyer.
🔵 Review of the lawsuit in the case of Virginia L. Giuffre vs. Prince Andrew, Duke of York.
🔵 Does the United States have any jurisdiction over the Prince? What will the Prince do to respond?
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Hello, my friends. And welcome back to yet. Another episode of watching the Watchers live. My name is Robert ruler. I am a criminal defense attorney here at the RNR law group in the always beautiful and sunny Scottsdale Arizona, where my team and I over the course of many years have represented thousands of good people facing criminal charges. And throughout our time in practice, we have seen a lot of problems with our justice system. I'm talking about misconduct involving the police. We have prosecutors behaving poorly. We've got judges, not particularly interested in a little thing called justice. And it all starts with the politicians, the people at the top, the ones who write the rules and pass the laws that they expect you and me to follow, but sometimes have a little bit of difficulty doing so themselves. That's why we started this show called watching the watcher so that together with your help, we can shine that big, beautiful spotlight of accountability and transparency down upon our system with the hope of finding justice. And we're grateful that you are here and with us today, it's only Tuesday and we've got a lot of news to get to. As we recalled Tuesdays, we got to compress the show a little bit. So we're going to get moving quickly, but we are going to talk about the big news of the day. Governor Andrew Cuomo, of course resigned from office. That's going to be effective in two weeks. And that's everything that everybody's talking about today. That's kind of the biggest news of the day. So we're going to talk about it. We've got reaction from president Joe Biden. We've got a reac , we got some, a rewind video from some of the Hollywood celebrities out there that we're going to take a look at. And then we're going to just , uh , spike the football , uh , in the first segment here. So we're going to get that out of the way quickly and then move into something that is important, which is the case involving a gentleman by the name of George Tonya's . Now he was a January six. Defendant just won an appeal from the U S district court , uh , sorry , court of appeals. This is of course out of the DC circuits , uh , DC district courts. This went up to the DC circuit court, good Lord, and a big victory. So George Tanyo Scott , an order to release him from custody, which was the right order should have been granted many, many months ago. And so we're going to go through that because the court of appeals kind of put a backhand on the government and said, this was clearly erroneous. You should have let him out a long time ago. We're going to dive through that appellate opinion , uh , order. And then we're going to take a look on our final segment, a little bit of a longer segment for the final one here today, but we're going to dive into the new complaint that was filed by Virginia. Ghafari against prince Andrew over from great Britain. So we're going to spend some time on that. Very interesting sort of a synopsis there. We walked through the timeline and , uh , Virginia, gun-free you , of course you saw the, you know, the, the picture between her and , uh, uh, prince Andrew from some time ago, that's back out there in the spotlight. Now we're going to spend some time going through that complaint because there are some interesting little tidbits I've been following a lot of the Epstein stuff here in particular, the Golin Maxwell case, been spending a lot of time watching her defense unfold. So , uh , we're going to see how this might interplay with all of that. And the real big question there is whether or not the U S has jurisdiction over prince Andrew, right? He's in a different country and he's also the prince over there. So is the U S going to be able to get their hands on him? Well , we're going to take a look and see how that worked, because this isn't his first rodeo. As we know, if you want to be a part of the show, the place to do that is [email protected] We've got a live chat taking place, right over there, big shout outs over to Seoul Viking. We got Gert Decker over there. We have, I'm not gas. We have Kenny one B suite PO Tate tow , along with speech on leashed and many others over on YouTube shout outs to Robert Wells. We've got Curtis Bartel , a straight narrow. We have Lynn jobs, Ashley truth hurts, and many others. If you're a supporter on, on locals, you have access to this form, looks like that right there. And that's where you're gonna be able to ask questions if you'd like to chime in on the program. So just go ahead and fill that out. We'll get to your questions. As I said, I may not be able to get to all of them today because Tuesdays are a little bit short and compressed, but we'll do our very best. All right . So without any further ado, let's just jump right into the news of the day. Andrew Cuomo, governor Cuomo, creepy Cuomo, NoMo Cuomo. There's a lot of little things going around about this man, but he is no longer going to be the governor of New York. And when following this case, we've been sort of poking fun at it. He's touching butts and rubbing bosoms and, you know, holding people's necks and things like that. Uh , and that turned out to be sort of the biggest crime of the century. Now I know that in 2021, that's sort of the , the thing right now, right? If there's anything that is a morally offensive towards a protected class, like, you know, females, or, you know , uh , w w we're not going to get into it there, but you get my point here. That is like the crime of the century. Meanwhile, Andrew Cuomo allegedly murdered a couple thousand old people by sending the COVID patients back into nursing home centers. And we kind of just all forgot about that. So , uh, but he touched , uh , but sometime somewhere for some lady long time ago. And so we're all gonna , you know , stop and pause ourselves. And , uh, I guess dive into it here. It is. Now, this was actually an interesting little unfolding today because the first, the way that this started is his attorney or his counsel or whoever this person is came out here before he spoke and was sort of , uh, we're , you know , we're gonna fight this quite frankly. And I was listening to her and I was like, yeah, I agree with everything you're saying here. She came out and she said, oh, well, how about, how about actually I disagreed with this, but she said, we believe all women, but we also believe all men. And I'm thinking, wait a minute, that's not right. That's not fair at all. If you're accusing somebody of a crime, this is still the United States of America. The , the accused still enjoys the presumption of innocence. It's the, on the burden of the accuser and the state to prove their case in a court of law. So she came out and said, well, I believe all women, but I also believe all. And I'm like, no, I don't. I don't believe all women at all. Right. If they, if they are bringing the claim, they've got to prove it. We don't just default towards their perspective. Oh, I guess if you set it, then, then he's guilty. Cause if I believe you, then I have to presume that he's guilty. Doesn't work that way Hollywood. And a lot of people in the media were patting themselves on the back for this believe all women thing, but it was sort of a , the about face of what our entire justice system was built on. So anyways , uh , this woman comes back out here and she's sort of trying to talk governor Cuomo out of the whole thing. Uh, and it , it didn't really go well, here was one clip from her this morning says , uh , well, look, you know, you can say what you want about Cuomo, but, you know, he didn'tSpeaker 2:
Mean to grope her logo on her shirt, which was her energy company logo, as he was greeting her, the governor did not mean to grow perm . And certainly there were pictures from this event, those PR pictures haven't been provided to me. And they were not part of the attorney General's report. He touched the,Speaker 1:
Yeah. Okay. So we've got it right now. She's actually right. And I , and I actually agree with this. I'm not real sure what criminal evidence they have here. We know Latisha , James came out with her book report of a hundred and whatever pages, which he's very good at. She writes a lot of book reports for her government job and, you know, it was, it was okay. These are, you know, 12 different allegations from a bunch of different women. And, you know, non-named people over, you know, 3, 4, 5 years ago, and it's all coming to light now. And a lot of it was , we went through the whole complaint. We went through the whole document and it's like, well, you know, touching and offensive this and offensive that. But , uh , you know , nobody, nobody thought to bring charges or report it two or three years ago. Now it's all coming to light. All right. So , uh, so we , we are now going to watch a bizarre thing happened here. So Cuomo's attorney comes out and says, you know, there's, there's basically no criminal line here that the government is going to be able to prove, because I didn't get that information. You know, this was all a misunderstanding. I didn't get any information about it. And she's right. I think on a criminal level, it's hard for the government to prove a criminal case beyond a reasonable doubt, at least in one man's opinion, from what I have seen here. Now, we're going to get into this and see what Andrew Cuomo, what the future looks like for him, because there are charges that are still being kicked around and investigated, but that's a different standard. We're talking about the criminal standard versus the political standard. And the political standard is really whatever you want it to be, right. There is no presumption of innocence. It's sort of whatever way the political hand headwinds are going. And so something happened and Cuomo came out and then he's , he's comes out in his press conference. And he's like, I'm a fighter. I'm a fighter. I'm a fighter, I'm a fighter, but I'm also a resigning. So we got two clips. Here is the first one where he's, you know, coming out with that New York spirit telling us that he's going to continue to fight.Speaker 3:
You know, me, I'm a new , new Yorker, born and bred. I am a fighter. And my instinct is to fight through this controversy because I truly believe it is politically motivated. I believe it is unfair and it is untruthful. And I believe it, it demonizes behavior that is unsustainable for society.Speaker 1:
Okay. So a couple yeses there, right? It is political certainly is the evidence there to corroborate it, probably not. But is this a , uh , a real travesty to society that we can't have, you know , creepy governors, creeping all over people. That's kind of his argument there. It's this is, this is a sad day for America because , uh , we're criminalizing we're . We are impugning. This type of behavior. All I was trying to do was rub some faces and some butts from Cuomo. So he comes out, I'm a fighter, I'm a fighter, but thankfully he is merciful. He is going to spare us a big long investigation here. And so this is where he is resigning, removing himself from office Andrew Cuomo today, final days, Andrew Cuomo here, he is New York.Speaker 3:
Tough means New York loving, and I love New York and I love you. And everything I have ever done has been motivated by that love. And I would never want to be unhelpful in any way. Oh my God. And I think that given the circumstances, the best way I can help now is if I step aside and let government get back to governing and therefore that's what I'll do, because I work for you and doing the right thing is doing the right thing for you. Because as we say, it's not about me. It's about wait , Kathy . Hopefully my Lieutenant governor is smart, competent. This transition must be seamless. We have a lot going on. I'm very worried about the Delta variant,Speaker 1:
Worried about the Delta variants . So he pivots right into the Delta variant . And so, you know, it's this , it's the it's, it's so painful to watch it. You have this guy, I love you America. I love you. And it's not me. It's we I'm governor Andrew Cuomo, New York signing off here, we're fighters over here. Uh, and so, you know, the whole thing has been a wild spectacle. So this is going to bring down the governor, some sexual harassment and some butt touching, not the fact that maybe thousands of new Yorkers were killed by him. So, all right, well now, since this is national news, let's take a look at , uh, what the white house was preoccupied with . They were dealing with this today now. Very interesting. So I wanted to point this out. I thought this was interesting. The timing of this, right? This is Joe Biden's first big domestic victory. Today was the infrastructure garbage bill for $1.2 trillion that I think 19 Republicans signed onto that. I think depending on what's actually in it, that nobody knows. I think Congress is going to figure it out. Also when the bill is finally passed in the , you know, like Nancy Pelosi said, we got to pass it to find out what's in it. Hello. We're not going to read it before we do that. That's insane. That sounds like a lot of work. It's a big bill. We're not going to do that. So once it does get passed, then we'll know what's in it. But we've got some issues in this thing with crypto, with a lot of the cryptocurrencies, kind of smashing that down with taxation and different regulatory provisions. We also have different provisions. Like it's going to require all new cars to , uh , for some reason, test, whether you are consuming alcohol or whether you have alcohol in the air. Don't really know the specifics on that either, but it's essentially sort of the government is, you know, exercising, its its infrastructure tentacles into different facets of your life, right? W what used to be your car is now it's kind of the government's car . It's kind of pings home over there to make sure that you're okay to drive and all of that stuff, even though it's not illegal to consume alcohol and drive a vehicle, right, that ended up itself is not illegal in at least in Arizona, in many other states, right? It's impairment, it's being over the legal limit. That is a problem, but who knows what the federal government wants to say about that? If they just come out and say, well, this is our new standards here. You're now dangerous. This is now medical misinformation, or this is now something that might cause an insurrection to happen while we're just going to turn that off because you're a danger to society. So we're seeing how this is all unfolding point being right in the middle of the infrastructure bill . The only thing really the Joe Biden has gotten done other than spending well, Cuomo comes and takes the spotlight out of the whole thing. And I think that that was very intentional, right? He could have resigned tomorrow or yes , or yesterday or later in the week, but it was timed. I think that he did not like the, the, the disrespect from the white house, right? He said, Hey, Joe, you're kind of , um , uh , you know, somebody, who's got some of these other, you know, groping problems like I have, we should be solidarity here. We should be bros. You like butts. I like butts . So we should just, you know, run hand in hand in this thing together into the sunset. And Joe Biden said, oh no, we can't do that anymore. I was a big fan of you when you were , uh , uh , sort of a thorn in Trump's side, but not anymore. So now you're just gone with the wind. The rest of the democratic establishment just dropped him like a bag of dirt. And so now we're going to see , uh , well, what they're going to do, this was timed to, to take the wind out of this glorious infrastructure bill, that's going to add $1.2 trillion to our federal deficit. So that's going to be good. Anyways , uh , that reporters asked Joe Biden about this today at the white house. And , uh , he was pretty proud of himself. I think with this answer, watch, as he says this, he says, I respect his decision. And then he says, you know, I really like that answer. And he says it again. I respect his decision. Pretty proud here he is.Speaker 4:
Darlene . AP. Yes. Thank you. What is your reaction to governor Cuomo's , uh, his announcement that he's stepping down, you called on him to resign. Did you think he would? ISpeaker 5:
Respect the governor's decision and I respect the decision he madeSpeaker 1:
And I , um, man, I respect the decision he made. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah . All right. So he's , he's happy with that. So that's what we've got, right? A cup. That's it. Right. That's how it started off. Then somebody says, all right , got it. So he has , uh , resigned now in disgrace. And what do you think about, you know , the other aspects of Cuomo? Can you , uh , Mr. Biden, can you give us a little bit more, more, they're a little bit more substance other than that, because we've got some questions here. He is make the case.Speaker 4:
Ironically, one of the questions, one of the Democrats through the years that you spoke with about infrastructure, the most was Andrew Cuomo. Who's residing . When NASA is resigning today, you had traveled to New York with him. When you were vice president to the launch of the reconstruction of the cornea , he was someone who supported your campaign early on. No, you call it him to resign. No, you condemned the alleged behavior, but you're someone who spends a lot of time with mayors and governors. How would you assess is 10 and a half years as governor of the stateSpeaker 5:
In terms of his personal behavior or what he's done as a governor, but he's done a hell of a job, hell of a job. What he's done a hell of a job. And uh, I mean, both on everything from access to voting, to infrastructure, to a whole range of things. Yeah. What else? That's why it's so sad. Make the case.Speaker 1:
Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, access to voting and infrastructure. And I don't know what else to talk about. So he's, you know, so that's where he goes. Now. Then somebody responds back to them and says, listen, if you said he's done a hell of a job here, Joe, how can you say that about somebody who's a predator out there. Media is not letting him get away with this. Let's see what he had to say. You're hardSpeaker 5:
To make sure we can get a pass . Can weSpeaker 4:
Follow up on your quote , your helmet on governor Cuomo? Can you really say that he is going to quote Kelvin ? He's accused of sexually harassing off ? Yeah .Speaker 5:
That's the substantive should he remain as is one question and women should be believed when they make accusations that are able to on the face of that, make sense and investigate it they're investigated. And the judge was made that what they said was correct. That's one thing, the question is, did he do a good job at infrastructure? How was the question he did as a governor? No, the question was correct me if I'm wrong. Yeah.Speaker 4:
Governor Kevin [inaudible] outside of this person . Okay . No , that was asked a specific question. I'm trying to answer specific. What do you want to ask me specific? Look at Kamala back there as well, given that you had said this bill that needs to be taken up immediately for both . Listen, watch. We'llSpeaker 5:
Get it done. Oh ,Speaker 1:
Look at Kamala back there. She's right there. Like a stocking horse. All right . So she's just like a prey, just like hunting, waiting, sees a weak little gazelle there . We're ready to strike at any moment. So that was , uh , Joe, Biden's struggling along there with the press. Now, you know, he kind of still mumbling a little bit. I know he took a long weekend off, but we were hoping for a little bit more energy on the way back. But anyway , so that's what we've got laughs away of the infrastructure bill. Little question about that. Now we're not to thank you. We're going to get it done and just walks off because he doesn't know what to say. They're out, they're out of energy there. Now we've got one more clip before we jump out of here. We've got a , we have a couple super chats here, but we've got a little bit more work to wrap up here. Now I forgot about this clip. This clip has been passed around Twitter all afternoon today. And they're talking about , uh , you know, this , uh, this clip here from some of these Hollywood celebs who were all very excited about Cuomo early on. Let's check back in here,Speaker 6:
Andrew, you are the man . So now that you're the love cup , you've kind of transcended politics and you're more like a national section, which says you'll probably get more dates than go . Do you think that you are an attractive person now because you are a single and ready to mingle the , uh , well liked among the ladies. People knowing that you're single and they think you're good looking and like the author of this op-ed entitled help. I think I'm in love with Andrew Cuomo. We heard though that you had a crush on her boyfriend, Andrew Cuomo, dude. Everyone does. Right. He's fantastic. It's okay. These feelings are perfectly natural. Many Americans experience , moments of being at least Andrew curious, if not fully homosexual, whatever you call yourself, a Cuomo sexual. And I, I, I agree with you. I feel like I'm a homosexual too . My celebrity crush right now, governor Cuomo, governor. Oh,Speaker 1:
All right. Well, I wonder what they're saying now, anybody a ringing them up on the phone to get an answer from them or what they have to say about all this. All right. Who's stepping in to replace him. We've got Kathy [inaudible] , who is , uh , posting here on Twitter, says I agree with governor Cuomo's decision to step down. It is the right thing to do. And in the best interest of new Yorkers, as someone who has served at all levels of government and is next in line of succession, I am prepared to lead as New York. State's 57th governor, which I believe is the first female governor in a , in history over there in New York. So , uh, you know, breaking glass ceilings, we, we get one man who was, you know, basically molesting a bunch of women and then we just, you know , get rid of him and then put his second in command up there who happens to be a woman. So , uh, that's sort of perfect. It's almost poetic in a way. Very nice. Now is Cuomo out of hot water now who knows? We'll see, probably I'm not sure that these criminal charges are going to stick, but we'll see right. If the, if the gears of justice are mad at you, well, they're going to go after you. Only for the butt touching though. But touching is very, very illegal in this country. And so we have an Albany sheriff launches an investigation into a CRO , a Cuomo criminal complaint, but it didn't do much when there were allegations that there are thousands of senior citizens being killed in their county about whatever they Albany county sheriff on Saturday discussed a criminal complaint. His office received this week from an aide who said that Cuomo groped her breast at a governor's state residence . Sheriff , uh , Craig apple said the investigation is very early stages. Not going to release any details. This is the woman says I was afraid. Now she finally came public with her charges. I think there were about from 2019 because she felt empowered now. So now that , uh , there's a little bit of publicity, she feels now empowered. Suddenly. She was one of nearly a dozen women whose accounts of sexual harassment were outlined in a report, told her story for the first time. So , uh , that's good. Very, very, very brave. Hopefully she's getting some closure, some good followers on all of her social media and she is able to write a book sometime in the near future. Let's take a [email protected] and see what we've got on this segment reminder. We're only gonna take a couple of these because I've got to move and groove on this. Let's see here, cue some of these up. Some of those were from yesterday. It looks like no Mo Cuomo says , uh, that was from Lord Nelson. I I'm surprised so many people misspell Cuomo. I S okay, I see what you're going there. We've got Sergeant Bob says, let us not forget. The president. Trump sends, sends a huge, a well-equipped hospital ship to New York city, ready to accommodate all the people that those were sent to nursing homes only sent them off to death, not to take advantage of president Trump's timely assistance. Yeah. And he got all sorts of awards and , uh , they were doing cartwheels and singing songs for the man. We have Paula MK says, I heard that because Cuomo resigned. He gets to keep all of his pension and benefits, but wouldn't, if he was impeached, I can't think of any other reason he would have resigned unless he did. So, because he realized he was being used as a political scapegoat for the Dems decided he wasn't doing it. Any more thoughts? Yeah, that's a good question, Paula. MK. You know, I think that there was probably a , you know, enough writing on the walls. And then you also saw today that there was this sort of a mass Exodus of his staff, right. When you're, when you're in that position and you, you lose all of your lieutenants, the people who would go and help you Mount that defense at that point, the writing's kind of on the wall, right? What , what are you supposed to do? He would need them to go and, you know, rally the media set up that events, you know, get me scheduled over here, book me on that, set up that interview, blah, blah, blah. And if they're not willing to go to bat for him, in fact, if there sort of equally liable well, yeah . And they're going to , you know, they're going to abandon ship because they don't want to be in the blast zone here. Well then he's out of options. And so he's just going to call it a day and move on, which is probably what he did. I've already seen some people speculating that this is, you know , the blood , uh , brush this all away so that he can come back out and run again, sometime in the future, Kenny one B says, this is just me, or is Cuomo holding back from crying? I don't know. I didn't, you know, I don't buy in anything that he actually says there. It seems mostly fake to me. We have, Gail says my opinion is he resigned because the DOJ told him privately they'd reopen the COVID nursing home investigation. And he didn't, although some of these women did report this behavior at the time it happened, his administration did not properly handle the complaints at the time. There's truth to that. And I know I'd be , I can be very hard on, on the accusers here on, you know , the women. And I look, I respect, I don't, I don't, I don't endorse or encourage or condone any of that behavior. It's extremely offensive to me. But at the same time, so is weaponizing and using the, the justice system as a political tool against your opponents. I do not like that at all. And when I start to see stuff like this, that, you know, so a lot of these people were in his inner circle. Okay. All of those Hollywood morons, we're all set. Oh, Cuomo, you're single and ready to mingle glove gov and all this stuff. Right. They knew he was a creep show. Just like everybody in Hollywood knew that Weinstein was a creep show. Just like everybody in DC knew that Epstein was a creep show. Just like everybody in the white house knew that bill Clinton was a creep show, right. They all know about it. And they all feign , this moral, all were shocked. Oh my gosh, I can't believe this happened. And then they want to throw him under, you know , under the rug in the dumpster and forget about them. Now that's fine if they want to do that, but not if they are stepping all over the justice system to do that, right. Get them out politically and peach the hell out of them, whatever. But don't start threatening these criminal charges for a bunch of these cases where many of these people were, you know, they were in his inner circle and they wanted to stay there for good reason. They had definite motivations to be around his presence. One of them, we covered got a promotion, right. She was like an aide . And then she was part of the environmental committee talking about whatever. And you go , how did she get that promotion? So, you know, it's all part of the game . It's disgusting as hell they know it is. But when it turns into this big, you know, showboating, we're out there to do justice on behalf of all the aggrieved women out there, give me a stink and break. They don't care about any of this it's politics, it's politics. And it's weaponizing the justice system and that's not appropriate. I don't care who you are, Cuomo or anybody you've got speech unleashed says, I'm glad he resigned. Now. He can't be used as a smoke screen any longer for the media to bring out and deflect for more pressing issues, such as the passing of the pork filled infrastructure build ridiculous pointless mask mandates and the coercion to force people to get the vaccine. Yeah, it is. It's like, it's one of these stories that, you know , we have to talk about because it is important because he is a governor of a state because there are a lot of intermingling things going on here. But what upsets me more about this story? Right . You know, rather than, yeah . Oh look, oh , you know, yes. I'm sorry that all the butt touching happened for all of the women, please accept my condolences for the butt touching. But you know, in these cases there are bigger issues here. And the fact that we're not talking about them is problematic. That is the problem with this whole story. The butt touching is secondary problem is the lack of prosecution of somebody who was grossly negligent, who was killing senior citizens , uh , knowingly just send them over there, got nowhere else to put them. So that's, that's good enough. All right . But we gotta, you know, we gotta talk about it because it's the only thing that anybody's talking about these days. So, all right. Uh, let's see here. Uh, let's go , uh, let's take a quick look at some super chats because we are almost at that half hour mark. Let's see what we've got. We've got a hydro X says they always knew who Cuomo was, but this will be used to weaponize and use to say how evil men are and the patriarchy needs to be dismantled. Yeah. That we've seen a lot of that language. And , uh , I think, yeah, I think AOC was even talking about that. Right. Well , she thought after she was about to get attacked and murdered there in the Capitol building that there may have also been some, you know, other types of , uh, uh, sexual improprieties or assaults taking place there. Uh , and of course, what did she blamed for that white supremacy and the patriarchy? So you can just, it's like a bingo card, you know, it's like, oh, bingo. I've got, oh , supremacy, white supremacy. Oh, I've got that one too. Yeah. We have Kareem 1 6, 5 says, good afternoon, Rob, do you think this will strengthen or weaken the me too accusations? And also people falsely accused of rape or sexual assault. Um, I'm not sure that this will, but I think that the slow sort of , uh , you know, role of this [inaudible] [inaudible] of these types of allegations and these types of charges, if people are just going to say like me, what are you talking about this? Okay. So, you know, if you're going to make a mountain out of a molehill, right. That that's, that's fine. You can do that. It's politics have fun all day long, but when this crosses over into the criminal courts and we start, you know, using the DOJ, the AGS office for any of these different states to go after your political opponents. And don't think that that isn't this right Latisha , James is the attorney general there who wants to bet that her name is out there as a candidate for governor the next time she just took out one of her opponents and that's not appropriate. So, you know, in cases like this, yeah. I think you're going to see a lot more , uh, men sort of opt out of the dating pool just in general, just because of these accusations happening. And you're going to see, you know, it's, it's, it really is going to be problematic. I think longterm for the culture of this country, but that's a whole separate point. I think that we still have a lot of gas left in the me too tank. There's still a lot of energy and enthusiasm out there, but eventually I think it will sort of put her out because if they continue with these allegations, it's stupid. You can't, you know, there , there are some here that I'm sure have a lot of merit and a lot of teeth to them, but a lot of these are just, you know, brushes and touches and if they were, so if they were criminal, well, you know, that's a standard that then should be applied to everybody and does every single man , you know, you can't go to a club in old town Scottsdale here, even if you're a male without, you know, getting groped 25 times as you're walking to the bar. So, you know, we have to just be cognizant here as a society. Is this what works is this our criminal justice system right here to go and incarcerate a governor for, but touching when , on the other hand, we've got clear evidence that there are thousands of dead senior citizens, like, is that where we want this to go? All right. We maybe, I don't know. Uh, we says , uh, Hydra says, it's amazing that as a lawyer, you would say that he molested women when there has been no criminal charges against him. Men play the white Knight too much. So I was probably being facetious when I said that, I don't actually think that , uh , there were, there were any actual molestation charges or allegations of that. That's sort of a different offense, but I get your point. Right. And I do agree with you men , what men play white Knight too much. There's no question about that. All right . We'll take a couple more from locals and then we gotta move on with the show. We got Sharon here says , uh , good to see the creep gone , but seriously, what effing difference is it gonna make? I'll just be replaced by something most likely worse. All worst of is nothing about the thousands of people in nursing homes he killed, but Hey , they were old, probably mostly white, so good riddance to them. That's what I'm sharing Whitney . We've got another one here from pili . Wally says you've seen it in use with me, Joe, a buy . And then of course, a more recently with Cuomo sign up on my 100% success rate, creepy old guy course come asleep faster than you can say, a safe word. You know, that was also something that Cuomo said, excuse me. He said , uh , specifically that he never thinks that he crossed a line, but , uh, but he didn't realize that the line had moved, which is pretty clever, right? Oh no. I just was being my old self. And so he was sort of blaming this, unlike the old man guy, like, I'm just gonna, I'm just an old, old man. And I don't know any better than this to be, to be grabbing his butts and buzzy hymns in the middle of your governor's mansion parties. Right. I just didn't know. I just thought I'm just an old man. I'm 63. I have no idea what I'm doing. That's not appropriate. Okay. Let a lot of, you know, older men, old men, but to use your label who don't do that. So that's not fair. Right? I hate that crap. When people use that as an excuse, right? Hunter Biden does this all the time while I'm an addict. That's why I'm a piece of garbage that's okay. There are a lot of addicts who aren't pieces of garbage, just because you're an addict. Doesn't make you immune from the label of being a piece of garbage. You, you can S you can still be a piece of garbage, independent of your addict ness . So, all right , we got to move on. I'm sorry. I didn't get to the questions. I know there were a lot of those on there, but all of those came from watching the watchers.locals.com . Also shout outs on YouTube to Hydra Kareem 1 65 and Hydra P X , along with many others. Thank you to everybody for all of your love and support there. All right. So we're going to move on into the next segment to make sure we stay on time here. George Tonya's is a January six defendant that we've talked about a lot here on the channel. You may remember that a few months ago, three months ago, we talked about it. These were the Capitol hill cases. We have George Tanos and Julian Cotter . These are also Capitol hill cases. And if you remember, these were two gentlemen who were there at the event, and there was allegations that they were involved with bear spray, right? They were going to get into this, what happened, but they brought bear spray over to the scene at the Capitol. This is sort of what it looked like on the outside of the building. This is a clip from the original complaint. And you can see here. It says the tipsters that, that turn these two gentlemen in was from a Facebook page that belonged to an individual named George Pierre Tonya's . They confirmed that he was wearing this clothing, blah, blah, blah. So we see him in this surveillance footage here, figure seven. And this is a scene from some video footage that was there as well. And we're not going to get into it, right. I can't really play any of that stuff here on YouTube because they don't, they don't like it. And they 18 plus your channel. And then you got to delete the video. So it's a problem. So we're going to , we're just going to sort of go through the court documents. And I want to show you with a little bit of background what's happening here. So this is a big deal. We've been talking about the January six protestors or Capitol hill rioters , or the insurrections , whatever you want to call them, right? Defendants people who are citizens of this country that deserve the presumption of innocence that deserve appropriate release conditions and appropriate bonds being placed on them. That has not been happening for the last eight months. And we learned yesterday when we were talking about a different case that the us government is sort of dragging their feet on this. Apparently they were working on a database that is going to be used to organize all of the thousands of hours of discovery. And they still don't have it ready for the defendants. They have not given it to them. Big, big problem. If you're a defendant, if you're somebody being charged with a crime, you kind of need to know what the evidence is against you. So you can prepare your defense. Otherwise you're flying blind. And so this becomes doubly problematic. If at the same time that they're not giving you the evidence that you need to protect yourself to do your defense, which is your constitutional right to have that provided to you while they are doing that. They are delaying, delaying, delaying the cases, and they are holding all of this over your head. And they're not letting you out of custody while all that's happening. And they keep coming back to the court and saying, we need more time. We need a continuance. We need a continuance, nevermind your right to a speedy trial or any of your other due process rights. They have the obligation to provide the evidence. They're not doing it. And they're demanding more time on in the interest of justice. And so I've been screaming on this channel for a long time, about how offensive this is to justice in this country. And I don't care what the defendant is. I don't care if this was happening to any BLM protestors or Antifa protestors or Derek Shovan. I don't care what it is. It's inappropriate for this to be happening and for the judges to be rubber stamping this. And in this case, George Pierre Tonya's was arrested and held in custody and tried to get out multiple times. And a judge, a district court judge from the DC circuit came out and said, many times you're too dangerous. We can not let you out on repeated occasions. So Tawny and his lawyer appealed this up to the U S court of appeals for the DC circuit. And the court of appeals came back and said, Tanya , you are right. They should have never kept you in custody. That for that, for those reasons, it was clearly a [inaudible] . It was problematic. And you are now going to be ordered to be out of custody. So it's a huge win. Something that we have been saying here was the appropriate thing to do. And I'm very, very grateful that it happened. The question will be, will this domino into some of the other cases or catch fire, or is this going to be reappeal to the entire panel there with the court of appeals, because this was only a partial panel, and maybe they overturn this, right? Who knows where this goes, but for the time being celebrate a victory, this is what justice looks like. Let's take a look at it. This is what the title of the complaint looks like. Or the order looks like this is on appeal from the U S district court for the district of Columbia, us of America here versus George pier . Tanya , you see the case is filed on August 9th. I already showed you. We did some heavy lifting on this a while ago. These were the, this was the , the image from the complaint. And this was count one. And so you recall that two of these people were involved in this, and they were also alleged to have been involved in with , in the death of officer, officer sickness . Remember, we spent a lot of time with him. This is why these two guys got so much attention because allegedly the bear spray may have impacted sickness. Okay? So on January six, we know DC and elsewhere, they conspired, they agreed together to injure other us Capitol police officers, particularly sickening . We've got officer Edwards, Metro PD, Chatman , and others all engaged in the lawful discharge of their duties among the means by which they carried out these things. We have George [inaudible] armed themselves with a chemical spray and utilize the chemical spray against members of the us Capitol police and Metro PD assisting us capita, please. Okay. Right. So it's the chemical spray. It's the bear spray. This was what we were seeing. Right? And we went through this analysis in the prior videos, we were talking about this in depth saying, Hey, we went through and looked at all of the footage, right? There were , there was clouds of smoke. Every which way people were throwing stuff. There were water bottles in the air. There was all sorts of sprain . So how does the government prove that any one of these two people was particularly, you know, spraying that in one direction. And whether that hit officer's sickness, it turns out that was irrelevant. Officer Sidney died of natural causes. They couldn't tie it back to these two guys, but they certainly certainly tried. Now, if we sort of deep decompress, all of that, right? A lot of mayhem there, they've got chemical spray. I want to go back to the date of the arrest or near nearby the arrest right after this happened, the judge did not let them out. Okay. So we're going to go back here to the hill. You'll notice this date is from March 23rd of this year, West Virginia judge on Monday ordered a suspect in the chemical spring of officers detained pending trial, right? That was one of the early orders. This is George Pierre Tonya's , uh , was allegedly assaulted, officer sickening, and two other agents with the chemical irritant seen on footage with Julian Cotter , Pennsylvania working together, according to the FBI, neither of the man is charged with killing sick , who died during a hearing on Monday. Prosecutors argued that Tanya listened to this. This was back in March. Okay. So we're talking about bear spray. This is interesting during a hearing on Monday, back in March, prosecutors argued that Tanya has purchased the bear and pepper sprays that he brought with him to DC Reuters reported. One of the sprays was allegedly used by cutter to spray the police. Right? So if you read that, it sounds like Tanya purchased it, Cotter used it. So that alone was enough to be a part of this conspiracy and make him somebody that was so dangerous that the government couldn't let him out. Right. He , he , he just bought the stuff. Somebody else used it, but he was there and he was in the vicinity and he just bought it. Really? Somebody else used it and then he got charged for it. Okay. So the judge takes all these factors into account, oh my gosh, insurrection Lee . This is a , this is the worst thing that's ever happened to America. The greatest assault on American democracy, since I don't know the civil war or whatever, you know, they were saying everything basically greatest attack on America. Since you know, the civil war, everybody goes, did you forget about Pearl Harbor or nine 11 or any of those other major attacks? Anyways, you get the point of it. Judge listens to the facts of the case and says, wow, my goodness , uh, w this is just a , we can't let you out. This is just too dangerous. We saw this order here. This was filed actually in may. They T they tried multiple times. So you recall back in March, right? The judge did not let them out. Try it again in may. And the new order here from the judge says, well, the defendants here, they want to be released on bond pending trial. Okay. And , uh, we've seen many other people. Who've done much more heinous offenses , uh , like Derek Shovan, for example, who are out on bond, get released from custody. This guy, George Tonya's allegedly, according to the hill was purchasing bear spray that , that somebody gave to somebody he gave to somebody else. Somebody may have used it somewhere on that particular day, held in custody the entire time too dangerous government comes back out and may can't do it. Government opposes both motions, which is, this is the us attorney's office. This is your government. This is Merrick Garland. Under Joe Biden. They're opposing the release on these things. They don't have to do that. That's a policy decision. Why are they doing that? Because these are political cases. Now we have having considered the judge says all the materials submitted to the court, the evidence, the arguments by counsel and the factors under us code the court finds the defendants would pose a danger to the community if released, Hmm . Court also finds that no condition, no combination of conditions of release would reasonably assure the safety of the community for these reasons. This is now denied. The defendants is denied. And so they're going to sit in custody and right away, continuing on indefinitely. And so the judge says, well, there's just, there's no way we can let you out because there's nothing that we can possibly do to protect the community. Now, if you're not familiar with criminal law, you might say, well, he was an insurrectionist, you know, he was out there and we don't want him roaming the countryside with his credit card, buying bear spray, and then giving it to somebody so that they might use it. Maybe that's too much of a risk. We don't want to live in that society. Do you want to live in that society folks? I sure don't. So the government said, well, there's nothing we can do. We can't put an ankle monitor on him. We can't define him to home detention. We can't make sure that he checks in with a pretrial services person. We can't have him call a certain number multiple times a day. We can't put GPS tracking on him or prohibit him from going to certain places. And none of that might work, you know , continuous alcohol monitoring, drug testing, none of that, all of it is insufficient to make, to make this man safe enough to release. He's so dangerous that we can't even release him because he's got a credit card and maybe some bear spray, but Hey , Derek , Shovan no problem. You're out on your own, right? Any of the cops who shoot and kill somebody there they're on bond immediately. No problem at all, as are many, many people who do other heinous offenses, not the Capitol hill defendants though. They sit in custody and right away, because the judges that's their , this is their, their courts. This is their jurisdiction. They were allowed to do that until the court of appeal says, no , no, no, not so fast. So here we are. Finally, the appeal was considered on record from the U S court of appeals on the memoranda and the facts that have been presented by the parties. It says you're ordered. And adjudged that the district courts may order that we just read this order right here, be reversed. And the case remanded for the district court to order the appellate's pretrial release subject to the appropriate conditions, including what should it be granted in the first place, home detention and electronic monitoring. On the record, we conclude that the district court clearly erred clearly aired in determining that no condition or combination of conditions of release would reasonably assure the safety of community. Say, let's just pause on that for a minute. It's a beautiful, beautiful, beautiful paragraph. We don't get many that are that beautiful in this, on this show here. But we conclude that they clearly aired , not even close by saying that no condition or combinations would reasonably assure the safety of the community. He is now going to be released. They're going to put them on home detention, which is appropriate and electronic monitoring very appropriate. All right. Why did the court screw up so badly? Well, although the appellant has not shown that the district court applied a presumption of detention in contravention of the bail reform act in precedent, the district court clearly erred and it's individualized assessment, right? So not saying that what the court did legally or procedurally was necessarily problematic, right? Nothing that the judge did actually violated the bail reform act, but they judge that just saying that when you applied this down to this individual defendant, this guy in particular, you totally botched it. There was an individual assessment on the appellant dangerousness, right? How dangerous was Tonya's the record reflects. Tanya has no past felony convictions at all, no ties to any extremist organizations, no post January six criminal behavior that would otherwise show him to pose a danger to the community within the meeting of the act. So send it, it's got to go back down. We have a case law here says that , uh , this was a case where it remanded pretrial detention orders, where the district court did not demonstrate that it could adequately consider whether they present an articulable threat to the community in light of the absence of a record of evidence that they were committing violence or had been involved in planning or coordinating events in future. Okay. So disposition is not going to be published. The clerk is directed to hold issuance of this. Cause they're going to be a timely petition for a rehearing probably. Yeah . Who was this signed off on here by the judge. Mark J no , that's a clerk of the court and the who signed off. Oh, it's pure curiam opinion. Okay. So , uh, so that was the opinion from the , the , the court of appeals. And that's good news, right? The court came out and said, listen, DC. When you went through your individual analysis here, when you determined and sort of went through the factors and you tried to apply those to Tanya's no felony record at all, not a danger to the community. He was arrested several weeks after, if not months after January six had no post January six criminality had nothing that he was doing, you know, being involved with any of these mysterious, you know, militia groups that everybody , uh, from Biden's administration keeps running their mouths about somebody who is just an average person, a regular guy who happened to be there, apparently bought some bear spray at some point in time, somebody else sprayed it. He sat in from, I believe it was March to today. Yesterday unlawfully, clearly erroneously because the DC courts are prosecuting people. Politically it's offensive. We have here the minute entry. Now this is from the district court. So this is going to be going back down to their court. They're scheduled for another court date on September 8th, as we can see here. So , uh , it looks like it was scheduled for a status conference. So we don't really know what that's going to be about, but that will be coming up. All right. Let's take a [email protected] And I saw a couple of super chats come in as well. So we'll take that going as well. Oh, look, who's here. Who stopped by? We've got civil law in the house. He's over on YouTube. Uncivil on , I did a show. Did a, I think we did a stream on your channel. It's good to see you on civil law. We should reconnect at some point in time. Thanks for being here. Thanks for the super chat I have to swing by and return the favor. We had another one over here from watching the watchers.locals.com. Let's see where this is. We have wait, I got to get queued up. Cause I forgot. We got to skip some of these questions from the last segment. So it's going to take a minute. We're just going to a lot of the NoMo Cuomo questions. I know. All right. Here's George Tonya's . We've got thunder. Seven starts us off. Sorry, Rob. Can't get too excited about this one. One prisoner out of 400 wins in court while the other 400 suffer in solitary. Not given bail. I think there'll be suicides soon as they lose hope of justice. I hope not. Thunder seven. That sounds terrible. I understand your perspective on this. Okay. I totally get that, but that's what you need. You need one, you just need one. You got to break the dam a little bit. And then, you know , the first domino falls into the next domino. You build a snowball, you start rolling the snowball down the mountain. Now you've got a precedent. Now you've got precedent, right? It , especially if there is a rehearing and the full panel comes back out and says, no, no, no, no, no. Okay. This is how this is working little DC judges. So if this does now become precedent for all of the other cases, then all of the other defendants can take a look at this and say, well, wait a minute. What, what happened over here to Tanya's the court? The court of appeals released him. I am also a defendant who has no prior record, no felony convictions. I also am not part of any of these militia groups. I'm also somebody that didn't have any propensity for violence after January six and have no indication that I'm a violent or dangerous person judge. So of those 400 people, how many of them do you think fall into that category? I'm guessing a lot of them do a significant amount of them. And so they would be able to now use that as precedent, get their own attorneys and say, Hey, hello, there's pretty good law. That just happened over there. What do you think about filing something similar? In my case, and actually the DOJ may just make a decision and sort of respond to that, right? If they feel like they are losing this battle and the full panel might come back and issue an order that might apply to more cases, they may just on their own voluntarily, go ahead and start changing policies. So it's , it's a first crack in the dam. It is, it creates it . It's a little bit underwhelming when you consider it in the context of the immensity of the injustice that's going on, but it's a start we've got Sergeant Bob says, thank you for standing up for what is right. Well, thank you Sergeant Bob for being here and for supporting the show, we appreciate having you, we have three girls, he says, could other defendants use this as a roadmap for release? Yes. I mean, look at Jacob Tansley and Kuwait, Griffin wouldn't both of their attorneys be able to appear their cases on the same nonsense. And if they do appeal this, would it go to the Supreme court? Or is there another step before that two ? Great questions. Three girly . So let me ask and answer this one first. If they do appeal this meaning government, which they probably will, and it's going to go back to the full panel. So , uh, right now it's just three judges and I don't know what the DC court of appeals looks like, but there's, there's, there's a bigger panel of judges. And so judges sort of will rotate around on it. And so you often see where it'll go to a court of appeals, it'll come out one ruling one way and then they'll say, well, all right , we want to appeal it to the full panel, which is the full assembly of judges. And sometimes it will change, right? And so hold onto your hats here. This is the DC court of appeals. I don't know the rest of the makeup of the other judges relative to the three that ruled on this case, but certainly you could go through it and say, okay, well, which one of these were appointed by Obama, which one of these are appointed by Biden and Trump and Bush. And you can just sort of see how this might, this , this might play out as to the second question. Can we, Griffin is out of custody if I remember correctly. So he's not sitting in there rotting away. They , they actually let him out pretty quickly, I think only about two weeks. So he wouldn't have that opportunity. And Jacob Tansley . I think the reason that they're going to be able to keep him in custody is because of some of the mental health stuff, right? He was going through true , which is not, which is not appropriate, but he was going through through the competency evaluations, right. To determine whether or not he was even capable of continuing to participate in his defense and stand trial. And so when there are some of those adults [inaudible] intricacies there, the court we'll, we'll be extra cognizant before releasing him because they'll say maybe he's not mentally there. Right? And so you can sort of see where some of that, some of the heightened concern over somebody who might be mentally stable is warranted. But conversely, now you're taking a look at Jacob chancellor and you're taking a look at this DOJ. You're taking a look at the FBI. You're taking a look at all of these DC circuit court judges. And you're saying, wait a minute. You're saying, he's crazy why, and we're supposed to trust you for that. And just believe that he's getting the fair shake that you're telling us. He is when we can just look around here with our own eyeballs and see all of these other travesties of justice taking place on an, on a daily. So , uh, no, we don't actually trust you on that. You might say he's mentally incompetent, but you know, my understanding is he's got a pretty decent attorney. We actually did review some of his attorneys , uh, background here on this channel. And I don't have anything bad to say about that attorney, right? So I think that it is very when you consider these things on a case by case individualized basis. Great questions. I am taking a lot of time on these though. We've got a here. Here is another one. No name says , uh , they've put these January six people in political prison, you know, like North Korea, Russia might do I'm with you. Rob. This makes my blood boil. It does. It really makes my blood boil. All right, we've got, I'm not gas. As a bear spray, surprisingly is less severe than pepper spray. It's designed to project a longer distance, but not as burning because bears noses are much more sensitive and it doesn't need to be. So watch the media Pearl clutch around bear spray when it's a much less than lethal option. Interesting. I did not know that, but that makes sense to me. We have another one here from , uh , don't . I don't know what that one is. So we'll just gloss over that. We've got Watson. Oh , says Rob, read this first read first isn't uh , so I , I can read that publicly isn't bear sprayed insecticide under federal law. I don't know. I don't know that most district attorneys filed charges wrong. It's using an insecticide is an assault under federal law. So I'm not sure what they were charged with, but I think that there was , um, the, the allegations were physical touching, which may be from the actual molecules in whatever it is. So it doesn't matter what it is. It matters that there was a physical act of a molecule leaving something or projectile that landed on you. That's the assault, not what, this was not what the molecule was, I think is probably how they have it structured. We have speech on lease. Can lawyers use this for other, for their clients they're willing . Yes. I absolutely think that they can. We have screw. The DOJ is in the house, says they can't prosecute 500 defendants in eight months. And in one case, the prosecutors use a Photoshop picture of a naked black man in the Capitol portrait. How could I believe this is not a political prosecution? Robert Barnes is correct. The rule of law is a myth . The laws are created, enforced and interpreted by people in the rule of laws and myth used for legitimacy purposes. Yeah. There's we're not going to open that can of worms. Uh, maybe that's that sounds like an interesting show topic for , uh , maybe, maybe Barnes and I can get together and talk that we got three girls . He says one of my fellow security officers and I were involved in a bar shooting in 2013. I had sprayed OSI due to the crowd control. We had pushed several fights out of the bar shortly before my fellow officers shot a guy that came into the bar with a gun. The police took my OSI as evidence. They tested the guy to see if he came into the bar after I sprayed him. Or if he was in the bar the whole time, bringing it back to this, you would think they would have tested the police officer's uniforms to detect if there was bear spray who's to say somebody didn't steal it off him and spray it when they have to prove he intended the other guy to use the bear spray. Yeah, there . Yeah. Right. There's all sorts of just physical problems with this. Right. There's all sorts of possibilities where it's hard to see like a punch. Right? You can see that it's got, it's got a starting point and an ending point. You've got physical damage. That's left as a, as a result with, with bear spray or other projectiles, especially in a riot scenario where everybody's spraying everything. There's madness, there's mayhem. The police themselves are spraying stuff. Okay. So, and we saw that when we went through this case, the first time around people spraying multiple different directions all over the people throw in stuff and stuff exploding in the air. So it was madness. So how, as a matter of law, do you connect the allegation that bear spray left one person's projectile hit somebody else and tie that back to a particular defendant? I think it's a difficult task for the prosecutors. We have SDN . Why is corrupt is here, says what the January 6th rioter did was stupid. Doesn't justify the treatment treatment personally. I'd give them a small fine. The idea that judges are objective as a joke. Okay. Wash . Yes. It's corruption. Corruption. Everywhere is I think a pretty good summation of that. Uh , I saw on civil law there with the super chat and I think that is it on that segment. So I think we're just going to leave it there. Thank you everybody for all of that love and support. They're great questions from watching the watchers.locals.com. All right . And we've got one more segment for the day. I got to wrap up here quickly and on time. So let's make sure that we get to this. All right. Prince Andrew now facing a new lawsuit involving one of Epstein's accusers. Her name is Virginia Ghafari . You may know this woman. She was a very involved in the Netflix documentary that covered a lot of this stuff. We've talked about here, her here on this channel, in the context of the Glen Maxwell case, we spent some time really trying to unravel what was going on with Jeffrey Epstein, who was involved in the federal government. There were layers of coverups that just sort of have been seen as kind of all over the media for decades now. And so we're still seeing the fallout from this entire case. And we're going to dig through the actual criminal. I'm sorry, it's not a criminal complaint. It's a civil complaint filed out of the Southern district of New York , uh , that it has been filed by Virginia. Ghafari against prince Andrew, the duke of York over from England. And so let's start off here with a headline. Before we dive into the meat and potatoes of the complaint, starting off from Reuters over here saying that he is sued. Prince Andrew, you can see down here is sued by Jeffrey Epstein's accuser over sexual abuse. Okay. So when we go through this, you're going to see this word used a lot. I'm just going to call it a essay or CSA if it involves children, just because we're going to see a lot of it. Right? So rather than saying it over and over, we're just going to say essay or CSA, right? Uh , Britain's prince Andrew was sued in New York by a woman who alleged that he S a and battered her two decades ago. She was only 17 years old Godfrey says that she was trafficked for sex by the late financier, Jeffrey Epstein. She sued civilly Andrew queen Elizabeth , second son. And then of course, a spokesman over for prince Andrew declined to comment. So this is the complaint. We can see it right here filed August 9th , 15 pages. We're not going to go through the whole thing, but there are some juicy meatballs here that we gotta , we gotta take a look at. So this is Virginia Godfrey , sewing , prince, Andrew, duke of York legal name, Andrew Albert Christian, Edward, huh? Kind of a lot of first names there. Isn't it. Four of them, that's a lot. This is a complaint. And let's get familiar with the parties. We already know these people, but this is prince Andrew, duke of York member of the British Royal family, third child, and second son of queen Elizabeth two and prince Philip, duke of Edinburgh. He's the ninth line of succession to the British throne. So I'm not real familiar with the British monarchy or royalty, but there you go. Over here, we got Virginia Ghafari over here. And so she was the advocate of , uh , justice for sex trafficking, victors victims. Given the fact that she was involved in this, and this is the image that is, is in the complaint itself. So let's take a look at who is filing this, this guy's name is David Boies. You can see that he signed off on here on the lawsuit from Boies, Schiller, Flexner, LLP. You can see this guy is not just kind of , uh , a minor , a lawyer, okay, this , this is somebody who is, he's got some gravitas behind him. Let's say David has been selected as one of the 100 most influential people in the world by time magazine in 2010, right? It's a pretty big deal. It's not one of those , these fake lawyer awards. Some of these are a little bit sort of maybe, maybe fake. I'm not sure, you know, these look pretty good best lawyers in America. Like that one might be kind of okay, like who cares about that one, but time magazine, that's a , that's a pretty big deal. Also global international litigator of the year. Pretty good stuff there . Litigator of the year by the, by the American lawyer, lawyer of the year by national law journal twice. Okay. So I've been practicing for a long time. It's got a lot of heft. This is not like the lawsuit that we covered on yesterday. Show where I think they wrote that one in crayon as somebody from YouTube or local said, right. Okay. Just drawing this lawsuit. This is a, this is actually a legitimate lawsuit. And so I know there's been some back and forth about Virginia Guthrie . You know, I think even Alan Dershowitz has a lot of things to say about her. And there's a lot of questions about her credibility. But the point here is that she is being represented by a very reputable firm and a reputable lawyer, which means you've got to take it seriously. Not that you shouldn't in the first place, but that adds a little bit of heft to it. All right . So let's get into the complaint itself. What we see here is plaintiff Ghafari by her attorneys is now filing this complaint against defendant, prince Andrew, the duke of York, personal knowledge about all this stuff. Suit arises out of the essay of plaintiff. When she was under the age of 18 started when she was 16. Plaintiff was the victim of trafficking and abuse by Epstein, specifically his trafficking scheme involved recruiting young girls claiming that they would be paid 200 bucks for simply providing a massage to a wealthy billionaire. The same pattern was repeated numerous times with countless children and young women, which is awful right. And we've talked about this before. Let's let's carry on. It says here, paragraph four, as us district judge, Kenneth Mara found this was occurring between 1999 and 2007 Epstein abused more than 30 minor girls. His mansion in Palm beach, Florida, in addition to his own abuse victims, he worked with other people to do all of this stuff, right? So this was a whole scheme that was being orchestrated here, read that at your leisure. But he worked in concert with others and he was sort of was trafficking and underage women, right ? Awful stuff like other minor, minor children who came before her plaintiff was also recruited to provide massages and other different acts that were involved. She was required to be on call for Epstein, frequently traveled with him. And we're going to go through and see sort of , uh , the, the travel records. If my slide will change over here , uh, as United States already got that one, one such powerful man to whom this woman Virginia was lent out to was of course, prince Andrew, the duke of York, right? So we get down here, we get a little bit of background on how this is all functioning. And then one of the people that Virginia Guthrie was rent out to lent out to it is what it says was prince Andrew, according to this allegation. So why prince Andrew close friend of Golan Maxwell, the British socialite who spent years overseeing and managing his network actively recruited the girls, including the plaintiff. Right? Talk a lot about her. She is also facing criminal charges also out of the Southern district of New York, right? We've talked about her case many times here. She is still sitting in custody and were sort of fighting over every single shred of discovery and every single allegation she's even making allegations against the prison guards and against the warden and people in her detention facility, all still being unraveled. According to prince at Andrew, he met Epstein and Maxwell through Maxwell in 1999, he became a frequent guest at Epstein's various homes around the world, including New York city, where he abused the plaintiff. When she was a minor after publicly feigning ignorance about the scope of the operation. He has refused to cooperate with us authorities in their investigation and the prosecution of Epstein and his co-conspirators. Okay. So the big question, and I saw this on Twitter yesterday was, well, what w w w what's going to happen here? What is F what is not Epstein? What is Andrew going to do now that she's filed a lawsuit against him? Well, one possible thing that you can do is just not cooperate at all. As you can see happen here, right? The U S authorities have been asking for help. He's feigning ignorance about the scope of the operation, and he has refused to cooperate. So how do you make somebody in a different country who happens to be the president? I'm sort of the , the prince who is a pretty, in a pretty powerful position in a pretty prestigious family, cooperate with , uh , uh , an average everyday citizen. Who's filing a complaint, kind of a difficult thing to do. Prince Andrew. Now the complaint says committed S a an battery upon the plaintiff when she was 17 years old, he's responsible for battery and the intentional infliction of emotional distress, which are both common law claims. She has been severe, very severely and had had lasting damage, right? This is tough . Time filed timely. There's no statute of limitations. Problem is what they're saying. This happened when she was under the age of 18. So what they're talking about there is what's called a statute of limitations, which means you have to bring your case , your claim within a certain period of time, right? You just can't , uh, get injured by somebody and then say, well, I'm going to Sue you in 25 years. They want you to Sue them soon so that you have evidence right now. And so that if your injury heals or you get injured again, or whatever, that that's documented, you want to recover now versus delay it down the road. There are incentives to suing timely. What they're saying here? No, she was under age. So there's no questions about any of that here. All right . So this is stuff that I normally will skip in these, in these segments, but let's take a closer look at this because normally we would spend time and we'd just save the parties. Plaintiff GFI is and individual of state of Colorado. And you'd say, Hey, plaintiff, Rob is a citizen of Arizona. I , no , it's not even worth commenting on, but here you'd say defendant, prince Andrew is a citizen of the UK currently residing where Berkshire, UK, where he is domiciled. Right? So they're identifying what that is. And they're going to give us a little bit more here about jurisdiction. So how so, what right now he's been involved in this , uh , lawsuit has been filed against him, but what are they going to do about it? Now? The court is the argument. And here is the court has jurisdiction over this dispute. Why? Because it involves a citizen of a state which has Guthrie and a defendant of a citizen in foreign states. And th the value of damages is over $75,000. So they're saying the federal court now has jurisdiction over this. Yes. It's prince Andrew. Yes. He's over in England, but that's okay. Because us code says the U S court has jurisdiction. If it involves a citizen of a state , a defendant of a foreign state, and it's over 75 K boom. They've got that. So that they say, that's good. They also say venue is proper because a substantial part of this stuff happened here happened right within the district. So that's why it's proper to Sue here in the Southern district of New York. But this is where it gets a little bit more interesting. Right? Why does this court have jurisdiction over prince Andrew? They explain it in this complaint. The court has personal jurisdiction over the defendant. Why prince Andrew S a, the plaintiff in this state, he's committed a tortious action within this state pursuant to new York's long-arm statute, which means the long arm statute is this old civil procedure. Awful thing we had to learn about in law school, but it's really the long arm. It's like, Hey, we are empowering our state to go and get your butt called the long arm statute. So it goes over there. Nope, New York passed this law. If you come into our states and you are responsible for committing a tortious activity here, our law authorize us to go and just pluck jurisdiction , just pluck you out of there. That's what New York law says. Defendant says that they also visited Epstein in this state numerous times. So it happened here. Also, he came here a lot. The defendant could reasonably anticipate that a suit based upon this could result in him coming back here. Right? So they're there . They're saying, Nope. He look , he came, he committed offenses here. He visited his friends here. He should have been reasonably expecting that his activities, what he was doing here would subject him to being hauled back into court here. So it's not unreasonable for the court to exercise that jurisdiction now. Okay. So the court says, I've got jurisdiction over this. Well, you're still dealing with a foreign person who happens to be the prince. So what are they going to do about it? Well, let's see what the lawsuit has to say. So put a pin in that. We got a little bit more facts here because we have some nice graphics to look at. Plaintiff became a victim , uh, after he recruited her between 2000 and 2002 numerous locations, including his mansion. He flew her on a plane nationally and internationally, numerous times when she was under the age of 18, only a portion of the flight logs have been recovered. So numerous commercial flights. And you can see here that this is a recollection of the log. So based on the flights on his private plane, from the limited logs that are available, this is what we've got. So you can see a lot of activity, Paris, London flying from Granada to Tangier over from the us Virgin islands, Bahamas, San Antonio, San at Santa Fe, St . Louis shout outs to everybody over there, you had , uh , Epstein in your back neighborhoods there. So it says, in addition to being abused by Epstein himself, he was also forced on defendant, prince Andrew, duke of York at Epstein and Maxwell's directions. This is where we get the picture right now. This is from a lawsuit. This is from a, you know , this is all public stuff. So it's from a lawsuit. Uh, prince Andrew abused the plaintiff on separate occasions under the age of 18, on one occasion, he did. So at a Maxwell's home, they forced her to have intercourse with him. The photograph delinked depicts her at the home prior to prince Andrew, doing what he did, right? Terrible on another occasion. He also did it at a New York mansion, forced the plaintiff to sit on his lap and all sorts of just awful stuff. You can see, this is a gruesome complaint, not a good complaint here. Uh, during each of the Afro mansion incidents, Guthrie was compelled by expressed or implied threats, fear, death, feared, physical injury to herself and other repercussions for disobeying Epstein and others in November, there was a response. So , so this, so we were coming back. We put a pin in this. Now we know that the court , uh , at least according to the complaint here that was filed by Guthrie's lawyer, who happens to be a pretty reputable fella , filed a complaint. They're saying the court has jurisdiction. The long arm statute can reach back out there and we can extend our hula hoop. We can throw that right over prince Andrew. It's fine. But what if he just says, if so, what? I'm not coming. I'm not responding to you guys. First of all, you're from the colonies. So you're automatically inferior. So we don't listen to you. Thanks. But no, thanks. I'm not coming over there. What if he says that? Well, he, a big game right now, I'm interested in , uh, you know, getting to the bottom of all this. I have no recollection, blah , blah , blah . Okay. So we know that this has happened before already in November, 2019, in response to this new scrutiny, prince Andrew set for an interview with BBC news night, prince Andrew stated he did not regret his friendship with Epstein, but he had no recollection of meeting with the plaintiff, which has gun-free high . You know, despite photographic evidence to the contrary, the putt , this spike , the picture that's floating around the internet. Prince Andrew publicly pledged, including in a statement, stepping down from his duties to assist the U S authorities with their criminal investigation of Epstein and his co-conspirators right? So you can actually go look at the statement. They link to it in the article or in the , uh , complaint, royal.uk statement. His Royal Highness says , quote, of course, I am willing to help any appropriate law enforcement agency with their investigations if required. So he said, it said it publicly said it openly. It was on BBC news night , wrote a statement out, put it on their website. Despite this pledge , uh , prince Andrew has refused to cooperate with us authorities. Oh, no. Former SD , N Y U S attorney Jeffrey Berman stated that prince Andrew had provided quote zero cooperation despite us prosecutors and the FBI contacting prince Andrew's council . See that linked over here from the BBC, nothing at all. Okay. We also have here, his counsel also refused to cooperate with counsel for the victims of Epstein sex trafficking counsel for the victims, including the plaintiff have asked for a meeting or phone call with prince Andrew and Horace representatives, you know, to get facts, context, or any explanation that he may have, or to explore alternative dispute resolution approaches, you know, like a big fat lump of money. Prince Andrew and his representatives have rejected all such requests and responded by escalating their vile and baseless attacks on the plaintiff . So nothing's going to happen in this country, no person, whether president or prince is above the law and no matter how powerless or vulnerable no person can be deprived of the law's protections. 20 years ago, prince Andrew's wealth, power position and connections enable him to abuse a frightened vulnerable child with no one there to protect her. It is long past time for him to be held to account. Here, here, signed off on by David Boies here, you can see he request requests judgment against the defendant wants compensatory, consequential, exemplary, punitive damages in the amount to be assessed later. Plus attorney's fees, cost of the suits and so on. So David Boies, we've got Sigrid McCawley pro hoc BJ , along with some others over from the firm . So several different lawyers from the firm, David boys , Alexander boys . We have seabird McCauley . We've got Andrew Vill Castin and Sabina Maricela . So it looks like five different lawyers here filing that complaint. And it's a pretty one. It's a pretty good complaint. Uh , is it going to go anywhere? Well, who knows? Right? Because , uh , probably not because he's the prince of a foreign power and they typically don't get involved in this stuff. It's kind of beneath them. It's for all of the peasants, all of the , the workers, you know, if a court proceedings, no, we don't do that stuff. I have to go, you know , do English things, whatever, whatever English , uh , I've never been to England. I would love to go. I don't mean to insult anybody who's watching from England, but I , uh, I don't know what's going on with this prince . Not good would be good if , uh, if he was held accountable, but it would be good if our politicians were held accountable to . So I guess we're on the same side of this coin. It's them versus the rest of us. We're all just trying to make do so you've got it over there. Just like we do. We're in good company. All right. So let's take a [email protected] Before we wrap up out of here on the day, let's see what we've got. We've got a couple of questions I got to float through here. We have here , uh , Gert , John says, can the USA ask England to deliver creepy Andrew? When he is convicted, she'd got creepy, Andrew, we got creepy Cuomo. We got creepy. Andrew. They're just everywhere we have. Epstein did not kill himself is here, which is accurate. It's an accurate state. It's a it's somebody's name, but it's also an accurate statement. It says, how do you Sue a foreign prince? And remember the time Kevin Spacey accuser, all getting kept steamed what? The Tibet, the Epstein accuser getting Epstein. Also. Why is the case in SDN ? Why would the accuser get screwed? Because SDN and why is corrupt and only benefit powerful people. There are a lot of , uh , a lot ofSpeaker 7:
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Good points to be made there. A lot of cases out of SDNY, no question. Uh , John Delara is here, says, I don't believe this Epstein accuser. She is totally shady. And an opportunist. Obviously this is an opportunity of a lifetime Epstein was a creep , but she wasn't exactly Shirley temple. When Alan Dershowitz came out against her, I knew she was totally lying and I don't feel for her. So, you know, it's funny. I actually kind of thought the same thing, you know, Dershowitz is a pretty reasonable person, I think, right. He's he's, you know, he's, he's an interesting guy. He's got a big personality, many, many people do, but he's somebody that I just don't necessarily see doing what they claim that he did. Right. He is like a constitutional lawyer, like thoughts. The teas crosses the eyes like very by the book to , to imagine him just throwing his clothes off and going hog wild on Epstein's island. I just don't see it. So , so I don't know. I don't know about it. And , uh, and I agree with you, right? I'm always questionable with, with these stories. You might notice a little bit of contradiction here. Hey, Rob. Well , you're not really believing the , uh , the Andrew Cuomo, you know, accusers , but over here, you're kind of, you know , having fun with this one and it's like, look, folks, these are two totally different allegations. They, one is somebody got their butt touched and this is like sex trafficking around the globe. So it's a whole different whole different ball game. Uh, but yeah, yeah, yeah. There's some questions there, there are a lot of curious things going on. We've got tos forever says, is Cuomo involved in the prince Andrew Case? Probably, probably along with hunter Biden as well. They just have a little , uh, it's like the Sopranos over there. We have this coming over from question says, wasn't Epstein's island on the Virgin islands or something. He owns his own island. Can he just make his own age of consent on his own island? I don't know how that works. I think the us Virgin islands are part of the U S the , you know, their , their territory is , uh , or something like that. I don't actually know what the jurisdiction is, but , uh, certainly , uh , don't think that you can traffic in, in , uh, children from other countries into your island. I don't believe that's lawful. That's not my legal advice. I don't know. Can't imagine that it is , uh , and nor should it be. We have wants to know, says, so deploy diplomatic immunity doesn't apply to a Royal. Well, I think it does. So I'm not a lawyer on international affairs. I think diplomatic immunity applies when you're doing your diplomatic duties, right? When you're there on official duties , uh, raping 17 year old girls is not a diplomatic thing. And so I'm not sure that that would extend to cover, you know, outright, intentional volitional, criminal conduct. Maybe it does. I don't know. We have, Sergeant Bob says, prince Andrew, I'm not going to answer those questions, which is the right answer there . That Sergeant Bob Sergeant Bob attended our law enforcement interaction training, where we talked about the 1, 2, 3 rule. That was rule number one. Wasn't it. Sorry, officer. I don't answer those questions. There you go. That's it. So that was from Sergeant Bob. Good memory, Sergeant Sergeant. So he knows the rules. We have another one here from Epstein. Didn't kill himself, says why would a foreign citizen accused of a serious crime testify against their friends, which can be used personally, I would not testify and not go into any media interview and not cooperate with law enforcement and attack the credibility of the accuser. Yeah. Well, you kind of have the framework dialed in there. That's exactly what they're doing. He's not talking to anybody. He made a mistake in 2019. He tried to do that to paper over this thing, obviously didn't work out for him. And so now he's just going to go into total dark mode, total hiding, which is the right, which is the right move. He shouldn't be saying anything and he shouldn't be cooperating with law enforcement at all. And he's got a media powerhouse and you know, the entire, I guess, government of England. So yeah, certainly he can really put pressure to bear on her. Uh, it's not appropriate to do that, but he's going to do it because that's what they do. We have our last one over here says from thunder sevens . And, but we've got some super chats. We're definitely going to make sure we get to those. We've got from thunder. Seven says Virginia was a traffic slave. Please don't insult her by siding with men who took advantage Duracell , which admitted to having massages with her, but kept his underwear on may not have been the monster that Epstein was, but many men participated including prince Andrew. They will get away with it because the elites always do well. So there you go. That's a different perspective on the , uh, the Dershowitz stuff. Did he say that you got massages, but kept his underwear on? I don't know . I don't want to attribute that to him. I don't know if he said that or not , uh, do your own research on this post . I don't want to attribute that to him cause he'll probably Sue me for defamation or something. I'm not saying he did that, but he was on a documentary with Netflix. So watch that. If you want to know what he had to say, he's on YouTube to go check out his channel. Listen to him. Thank you for that. Thunder seven. I appreciate it. We have a couple more set from tweaks as prince Andrew was best buds with Seville Jimmy Seville and Epstein, bad luck for anyone who is completely innocent. So, all right, we've got some super chats also coming in Aillani Holcomb . I think this was on the last segment, but let's get to this. We were talking about the Tanya case. The Capitol hill defendant Tanya says, bear spray is Alejo Pam capsicum, pepper and Lao . [inaudible] the irony. Is it as a food product? Believe it or not. We had to be sprayed with it in the face during police training. Oh, we have another police officer in the house. Lonnie hall come over there. Welcome to the community. Welcome to the show. Yeah. So, okay. That's good to know that provides some context a little bit, and that sounds also awful. I'm glad, I'm glad you survived. And you're with us here and thank you for that. Lonnie Holcomb . Appreciate your support. Jay said, thank you, Robert. I appreciate your show and all of the locals, questions and comments. Well, thank you, Jay. Yeah, they're fun. I think that they're kind of working out. We kind of have a good little rhythm going and they are fun to get to. Uh , I'm glad that you're enjoying them because it's actually sort of works with the workflow a little bit. So hopefully we can continue to do it. We have another one here from Fran Garcia says excellent work, Robert, keep it up intriguing times. You're absolutely right about that. Efrain and Garcia. You're absolutely right. It is interesting times. And uh , those , those were the questions. My friend, those were the super chats, a lot of great stuff. And we're right on time. That means I'm gonna be able to get up and go make sure that I'm ready to rock and roll for my max next meeting. Uh , I do know it's a short show and sorry to do that kind of breaks my heart as well, but that's okay. We'll be back tomorrow. We'll be able to cram a lot more in there because we'll have a little bit more time. So I want to thank everybody from , uh, from both YouTube and watching the watchers.locals.com for all of those great questions, really do appreciate your support and all of your love over there. Want to welcome a couple of the new members who signed up very reasonably big shout outs to Mary B 5 8, 5. We have the real Patriot in the house. We have Laura SB who signed up along with de Rodrig 1 8, 8. We have Wendy Deere in the house. We got stoic RD along with [inaudible] along with Jim Allen , 44 11. I want to give a big, big, big, special shout out to a thank you to a Terrance . K , won't give your full name away there at Terrance K, but I got your letter here. And uh, you know, I absolutely read it. It was beautiful. And so I wanted to thank you for that. It really hit me and know it's a beautiful letter. Of course. I don't want to share it with you here, but I really, I appreciate it. Thanks for, thanks for sending that over. It was a moving letter. And so , uh, with that, that's it for me, my friends. That's it. That's all that we've got for the show. My goodness. Well that's all right. We're going to do it. Same time, same place tomorrow. It's going to be a 4:00 PM Arizona time. 5:00 PM, mountain 6:00 PM. Central 7:00 PM on the east coast. And for that one, Florida man, everybody else have a tremendous evening. I will see you right back here.