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Floyd Firebomb Protestor Robinson Sentenced, Ghislaine Maxwell’s Bruised Eye, Smuggling Prison Contraband

May 02, 2021 Robert Gruler Esq.
Watching the Watchers with Robert Gouveia Esq.
Floyd Firebomb Protestor Robinson Sentenced, Ghislaine Maxwell’s Bruised Eye, Smuggling Prison Contraband
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A George Floyd protestor is sentenced to federal prison and heavy restitution. D.C. Attorney General Karl Racine makes a nice offer to George Floyd Protestors. New photo emerges of Ghislaine Maxwell showing a bruised or bloody eye. A Missouri woman is sentenced to 10-years in prison for smuggling what…..? And more! Join criminal defense lawyer Robert F. Gruler in a discussion on the latest legal, criminal and political news, including:​

• Dylan Shakespeare Robinson of Brainerd Minnesota was sentenced in connection with the burning of the Third Police Precinct in Minneapolis last year.​

• At sentencing, the Judge ruled the 23-year-old Robinson would serve 4-years in federal prison and have to pay $12 million dollars in restitution.​

• William Mauzy, lawyer for Robinson, expressed disappointment at the sentence, explaining he had a limited role in the incident.​

• Washington D.C. attorney general Karl A. Racine issued a new order offering to seal the arrest records of over 200 people detained for curfew violations in June 2020.​

• New Photo of Ghislaine Maxwell emerges showing a bruise on the inside of her eye.​

• U.S. District Judge Allison J. Nathan issued an order to the government asking for an explanation from Prosecutors.​

• Ghislaine Maxwell’s attorney, Bobbi Sternheim, drafts new letter to the Court detailing the ongoing sleep disruption Maxwell is facing and its deleterious effects on her case.​

• In Friday Fun news a woman in Missouri is sentenced to 10 years for smuggling at item into prison. What was it?​

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Hello, my friends. And welcome back to yet. Another episode of watching the Watchers live. My name is Robert Mueller. I am a criminal defense attorney here at the RNR law group in the always beautiful and sunny Scottsdale Arizona, where my team and I over the course of many years have represented thousands of good people facing criminal charges. And throughout our time in practice, we have seen a lot of problems with our justice system. I'm talking about misconduct involving the police. We have prosecutors behaving poorly. We have judges not particularly interested in a little thing called justice, and it all starts with the politicians, the people at the top, the ones who write the rules and pass the laws that they expect you and me to follow. But sometimes I have a little bit of difficulty doing so themselves, and that's why we started this show called watching the Watchers so that together with you help, we can shine that big, beautiful spotlight of accountability and transparency back down upon our very system with a hope of finding justice. And we're grateful that you are here and with us today because we've got a lot to get to it's a Friday. So we're going to, I have a little bit of fun, but we do have some business to attend to. And we're going to start by talking about, uh, a protestor who was arrested in 2020 as a result of the George Floyd incident. This guy is named Dylan Shakespeare Robinson. And so he just got sentenced. So almost a year ago, about 11 months ago, when he was involved in a lot of those protests that were taking place over the summer, there was a Minneapolis police precinct, the third precinct that burned down. And, you know, we talked a lot about that precinct here on this channel, because it's a big thing that happens, right? If it's a police department, if the entire precinct burns down, that's kind of a big deal. And so many of us were wondering, well, what's going to happen with these defendants who oftentimes in my opinion, it's been looking like they've been getting a little bit of a lighter deal than some other defendants around the country. Of course, I'm talking about the Capitol Hill rioters. And so now this gentleman has been sentenced. And so we're going to talk about that. You know, it's kind of a, kind of a stiff sentence, quite frankly, and I want to break down what happened there because we are going to sort of want to compare and contrast that with a lot of other defendants that have been arrested for these types of cases in particular public unrest, protesting, rioting, whatever you want to call it. We want to make sure that the scales of justice are even across the board. We'll see if that happens, then we're going to change gears. We're going to talk about the Washington DC attorney general is now offering to seal arrest records for some of those same protestors. So back of course, during the summer protests, that's sort of the summer of unrest during the 2020 debacle of a year, that was, there were a lot of arrests that were taking place as a result of the protest. And so the attorney general from Washington DC guy by the name of Carl Racine is now sending a letter out to people who were arrested, saying, I'm going to go ahead and seal those records for you if you want. And so I have a copy of that letter that is being mailed out to defendants. I happen to love this idea. I think it's a great idea. I think the question is, is this going to be applied to other defendants or is the same principle going to be to other jurisdictions, other offices in dealing with some of these political protests cases? So we've got a lot to talk about there. Then we're going to talk about Golin Maxwell Glenn Maxwell. We know is, uh, still in custody, tried to get out three times by requesting bail. Judges denied that multiple times. And a new photo just was released yesterday through her attorneys of her in custody. And she's got a little bit of a bruise on her eye. And so, so people are sort of speculating. What's going on here? You know, is this a laceration? Was she hits? Is this something that is being induced because her body is, you know, not functioning well, you know, you, don't just sort of ordinarily develop bruising around your eye sockets. And so the fact that she has this little thing, you can see it right here. We're going to get to it. Uh, of course causes some concern. We want to make sure that she's healthy and well because she is a pretty critical component of the government's investigation into what was going on with Jeffrey Epstein and the whole thing. So a lot of going a lot of stuff going on in the Maxwell case, her attorney fired off another letter. We talked about this earlier in the week, where there was, uh, some, some back and forth about these confidential documents that the prison is alleging that the attorneys gave to Golin Maxwell during one of their meetings that they're saying Glenn inappropriately took out of the prison cell. So a lot of back and forth, and now these accusations are flying around. The defense attorney is saying, wait a minute, are you accusing me of violating the prison laws and the, the state's attorneys now responding. So we're going to get into that. And we're going to finish up with a fun story. There's a woman out of Missouri who smuggled something in to prison that is, you know, it doesn't, doesn't often make it inside. So we're going to tell you what that is. So stick around until the end of the show for that now, as is usually the case. If you want to be a part of the broadcast, if you want to ask a question, leave a comment. If you've got some criticisms for me, that's okay. The place to do that is over@watchingthewatchersdotlocals.com. If you go over there and you decided to support the show, first and foremost, we will be very appreciative of that. You know, of course, we're demonetized here on YouTube for the foreseeable future. And so if you want to support the show, that is really a great place to do it, watching the watchers.locals.com, but you'll notice over there, there's a live chat that's happening. And so if you have a question, miss faith is going to be clipping some of those questions, comments, criticisms, concerns, and adding those into the slides. We're going to go through all the three sections of the program today. And if you want a copy of the slides that we're about to go through again, that's available@watchingthewatchersdotlocals.com, along with a copy of my book and some other templates and some other fun things. But the real reason, amazing people are over there, sharing links and having good conversations about very important things. So that's where you should be as well. So we're going to get into the news. Now, there is a George Floyd Prix protestor, who just recently got sentenced that in fact it was today, and I'm talking specifically about Dillon Shakespeare Robinson out of Brainerd, Minnesota. If you recall, back in 2020, there was a lot of protests taking place all around the country in Portland and Minneapolis and different areas. And there was one incident that involved a, a group of individuals sort of attacking the third precinct out of Minneapolis. And this was sort of right around the same time that Harris was posting on her Twitter account saying things like, uh, you know, we want to sort of get these people out of custody. And there was this alignment from many people in this country, uh, sort of to, to back a lot of this activity, you know, sort of these protests, this unrest was legitimate because it was addressing racial issues that have been permeating throughout this country for a long period of time. And so some people were analyzing this saying, Oh, well, I wonder, you know, what kind of penalties these protesters are going to get? Is it going to be the equivalent? You know, we have sentencing guidelines and we have federal standards and, and misdemeanor standards and state standards and all sorts of different rules. So we just wanted to see whether or not this, what many people are characterizing as sort of a favored protest class, at least relative to maybe a disfavored class, which would be some people who are more on the right. Anybody who was supporting Trump has sort of lumped into this insurrection, his group while this other group is sort of this peaceful protest. You know, CNN has the Kyron running, is that, you know, uh, mostly peaceful protest as they're smoldering flames behind them, right? So there's sort of a, uh, wrapping in bubble wrap on one demographic versus another anyways long story short Dylan Shakespeare. Robinson is one of those individuals, 23 year old man sentenced to four years in prison. Now, what was his involvement? We're going to take a look at this in four years. That's a pretty hefty fine, right? For protesting or have half the sentence. Then in addition to that, he's going to be looking at$12 million and he's going to have to pay back for the restitution as a result of what happened. So, uh, this was in gentlemen who was involved in apparently lighting Molotov cocktail that was thrown at the third precinct that caught fire, and then eventually ended up basically burning to the ground. So I want to go through this story just so we can sort of check in, see how this sentence feels, whether it's excessive or light, we're going to start by going over to the New York times. It says here, the burning of the police station after George Floyd's death draws a four year sentence. This was written over by Ozzy PI Barra. Uh, two days ago, April 28th, three days after George Floyd was killed in police custody in Minneapolis last year, the third precinct police building was set on fire. Thousands of protesters surrounded the building as it burns sending giant orange flames and tall black clouds of smoke into the sky. So the whole, the whole precinct got basically torched. And it was interesting because you know, the, the, the reaction, I think by the media is very different on these two things. Now they are different Capitol Hill riots. Of course, that is a federal building. That is the Capitol building of the country. It's a sacred building, but it is a government building just like a police department is. And so, you know, you, you, you hear a lot of claims of insurrection and overthrowing American democracy for the Capitol building, but not when it's a police station or even a federal courthouse as we saw in Portland. So I just want to point that out there, for those of you who don't already see it, which I'm sure you all do. So it says on Wednesday 23 year old man was sentenced to four years and then two years of supervised release for his role in setting the fire as really what we want. I sort of ask ourselves know, what was the role here? Was this a mastermind? Was this somebody who was there because we have also seen this same thing happen with the Capitol Hill rioters. There there's been this tendency to charge people who were not even there. They were not even in the Capitol building, they're still being charged with crimes. We've covered several of them on this channel. They showed up the day after they showed up that night after everything had already dissipated, but because they had some interaction with law enforcement close in close proximity to the main event, as it were, then they were sort of rounded up in the Dragnet that was taking place around DC. At that time, the man Dylan Shakespeare of Robinson brainer, he's about about 120 miles North of Minneapolis. He's also ordered to pay 12 million bucks in restitution. You think a 23 year old kid has$12 million, probably not. He pled guilty in December to one count of conspiracy to commit arson, three other men who also pled guilty to participating in the burning of the police building will be sentenced at a later date. So there were three other people there, according to, uh, Andrew's folk acting U S attorney out of a district of Minnesota, William Mazi, the lawyer for Robinson said he was disappointed at the sentence. His client received, considering the circumstances surrounding that fire. He said, he is bearing the sentence for the other thousand people who participated Mr. Miles. He said in the interview Wednesday night, many others, far more culpable than Mr. Robinson were not identified. He had no role in throwing any Molotov cocktails or constructing any or building any, right. That does that. Doesn't sound okay to me. And you know, if this is going to happen on or against people on the right, I'm going to have an issue. If this is happening with people on the left right now, this is his defense attorney. So of course you have to take this with a grain of salt, but on the, on the sniff test, that passes right. There were thousands of people around during the summer of unrest, the summer protests that were taking place there, and the government tends to do this. They just like to pick somebody and then make sure that they take the blame for everything, right. Rather than going out there and in combing through all of those different protestors who were there when this happened back in may of last year or June, whenever it happened, they're not doing that right. They are doing that with the Capitol Hill rioters. You see the FBI every day. Who's this person, who's this person we need the public's help. Who's this guy in the red hat and the blue hat and the green hat help us find everybody. Did they do that on this one? Or are they just going to pick a couple of defendants and say, well, we got a picture of this guy. So we're going to make sure that he sort of takes the blame. They picked somebody up as the scapegoat and they make sure that they can dog pile on that person. And I don't like when that happens to anybody, whether they're on the right or on the left, whether they are part of the mag group or part of the George Floyd protests, it is not okay either way. So let's go back. We have some more information. This comes over from twin cities.com. It says, according to court documents, we want to look back on May 28th Robinson. The person who was sentenced today went to the third precinct where a crowd of hundreds gathered following the murder of Floyd. One point the crowd began shouting, burn it down, burn it down. Soon after offense designed to keep trespassers out of the third precinct was turned down. Robinson was torn down, Robinson along with other co-conspirators breached. The fence entered the building. Robinson assisted by an unidentified. Co-conspirator lit an object held by the unidentified co-conspirator who threw it towards the third precinct building with the intent. It would start the fire. He lit an object that was held by somebody else, right? So this guy just lit it. Somebody else threw it. All right. I know, I know on the night of March, uh, May 28th, 2020 2020 Robinson chose to depart from lawful protest and instead engaged in violence and destruction. This is according to acting U S attorney general. He said the arson at the Minneapolis police department put lives at risk contributed to the widespread lawlessness in Minneapolis with today's sentence, he's held accountable for his actions. ATF has committed to investigating the civil unrest arsons of 2020 that occurred throughout the twin cities set a special agent. Our sin is being inherently violent. It's a serious crime. The dangerous posed by the defendant was very real. Today's sentencing sends a clear message that regardless of motivation, when someone is intent on conducting a violent act that breaks federal law, the FBI and our law enforcement partners will move assertively to hold them accountable. This type of behavior puts public servants and our entire community in danger. And we will simply not let it go unaddressed. All right, December 15, 2020 Robinson pled guilty to one count of conspiracy to commit arson. And so, you know, this is a picture of it right here. So it looks like Robinson on the left, he's wearing a white shirt somewhere over here. It might be, it might be over here with a distinctive black Stripe across the middle. Anyway, wait, Robinson on the left is wearing a white shirt with a distinctive black Stripe across the middle and a black stocking cap. This image was taken May 28th in the Minneapolis police department surveillance video. The image was submitted with the initial criminal complaints against Robinson. So it's kind of making it sound like it's this guy right here, but that person is on the right, not on the left. So, uh, anyways, this is what you're looking at. This is probably the Mo the Molotov cocktail that, you know, they're all sort of, you know, lighting around and getting ready to throw it. And so, you know, this is kind of a hefty sentence. Now I've seen a lot of people on Twitter saying this is a very light sentence. And a lot of people sort of go that's it for years, right? For torching, the whole police department, they should add a zero to the end of that. I think Tim Paul said that that it should be 40 years and I'm thinking, all right, look, I understand it's a serious offense. I understand that arson burning down a police department is a big deal, but when you have a situation like this, I think that it, that it is sorta hard to attribute it to one person. When you have a lot of people who are involved in this mob, you know, act activity, then it kind of makes sense, in my opinion, at least to, to divest or divert or dilute the share of the blame across a number of different defendants. And in this case, it sounds like, you know, there was another person who actually threw it, but they didn't find that guy he's on identified. Nobody knows who he is. So isn't he more culpable than the other guy who just let it run the kids 23? I don't know what amount of mitigation that they presented to the court. I know this is probably a horribly unpopular opinion, but you know, I think that a lot of 23 year old people make mistakes. Okay. When I was 18 to, you know, high school and even in college, right. I was borderline, you know, I could have done something like this. Uh, I ma let me not quite like this, but, you know, I w I could have done stuff that would have been sort certainly out of the ordinary. I think we all would have, right when we were teenagers or, or in our twenties, there's sort of this period of young person anx that we have. And if there is a big movement, if there's a big, you know, a bunch of people are all testosterone end up going out there and fighting, you know, the power or whatever. I have some empathy for that, because I think that it captures a lot of people who are otherwise very good people who just, you know, who, who made, made it, made a mistake, got caught up with a bad group of people. And I certainly don't want to see their lives destroyed indefinitely. Four year prison sentence is pretty reasonable. I mean, that's not that much time. We'll probably be, get out, you know, sooner than that. The other thing that is a big sentence is a$12 million fine. Right? He's never going to pay that back either. Especially when he spends basically college in a federal prison Mazi, the defense attorney says he expected the other defendants, whom he is not representing to be sentenced, to pay a portion of that restitution. There's no realistic chance that he is going to pay anything, but a minuscule amount towards that. None of the defendants have an ability to pay a significant sum. Well, yeah, I mean, you know, the response from, from the other side is gonna say, well, it should have burnt down the police department. Okay. Don't don't torch police buildings. Federal officials said it in a criminal complaint last year, that in the surveillance video at the precinct house, Robinson quote appears to light and incendiary device held by another person who later throws it at the building. Robinson was also captured on video setting fire inside the police station near a first floor stairwell. All right. So that's where it gets worse, right? So that's where I think more of that higher sentence is justified. Other evidence cited in the complaint came from a Snapchat account. Federal officials said was used by Robinson in one video from that account that night and unidentified female voice can be heard saying, Dylan, the complaint later said later that Snapchat account typed in a message said, we need gasoline. All right. So they're, they're actively torturing it. So maybe I'm eating my words on this one. Mr. He said, officials later identified nearly four dozen separate places of origin for the fire that engulfed the station. That's a lot of different people setting fires at the various spots. Mr. Robinson was unfortunately, one of the few who was captured on video and identified. So he is a little bit more culpable than I originally thought from that twin cities story. Brainerd man gets four years in prison. This is again from the associated press, a 12 million bill for helping to firebomb sentence Wednesday for years. So he's going to have to pay back the 12 million federal complaints. Uh, three other people have pled guilty in federal court, but they're awaiting sentencing. So this is interesting. Yeah. So it sounds like there were four co-defendants, uh, other, and I can't tell if those four co-defendants or the three co-defendants to Mr. Robinson here, whether or not they, if any, it, it wouldn't have been, if any, one of them, my question was was any one of those people, any co-defendant where they, the unidentified person who was actually throwing the Molotov cocktail. But again, it doesn't really matter. I mean, if Robinson went inside the building and it started adding things on fire and they've got video of that. Yeah. I mean, four years sounds a lot more reasonable. Now the other question would be is the total restitution significantly more than 12 million. If it's, if it's 48 million, then you've got the total restitution divided by four co-defendants equally, or is it 12 million? He's just getting stuck with it. If he can't pay it, then it's going to be sort of joint and severally liable amongst the other co-defendants. So it's is it 12 divided by four or is it 48 divided by four? We don't know. We have Jeremy[inaudible] in the house. Let's take a quick look at some of these comments. These should be good. We got Jeremy to says, I hope you have a great week. I hope you did too. There, Jeremy, what happens when a defendant receives a judgment, they could never possibly pay back such as with Robinson and 12 million. So it's a good question. A couple of things can happen. So, you know, number one is they can garnish his wages basically indefinitely, right? Every time, uh, he files taxes or receives a paycheck, they could just garnish that. Right. So he basically is, is paying that back indefinitely. Uh, the other thing, so an enforcement mechanism that I have seen for these types of results is the court will sort of put a suspension on some of your civil privileges. So the one I'm talking about is, uh, driving. So I've seen this before. I don't do much civil law, as you know, but I I've seen it in the past where somebody who owes somebody else money, if they don't pay that in a court has entered a judgment against them. The court, at least here in Arizona will actually suspend that OB the party that is obligated to make the payment will suspend their license. So, I mean, they can't, you know, they can't drive anywhere until they get that back in order, which can be a major penalty penalty. But the downside of that of course is, well, what if you need to drive to go get a job so you can make some money to pay the money back, but you can't get a license to drive to go to that job. It's a, it's a problem. Uh, so the question is, is the government never going to get$12 million back? Probably not. Uh, good to see you Jeremy hope your week was, well, my friend, I'm glad that you're here. We have Chris, John says, did people die in the burning? No, they didn't. It had all been evacuated at that point in time. So, uh, so that's a good thing. Otherwise he'd be facing murder charges, not just conspiracy for arson. We have go Navy five Oh five what's up go Navy. He said only discovered your channel recently signed up right away. Yours is the only podcast that holds my interest for the duration while I have a lot to live up to then go Navy that's. That's good. I'm so glad that you're here. I'm going to do my best. I'll be honest. Sometimes I don't even hold my own interest. So I'll try not to do that. You can see me, uh, kind of get mad at stuff and kind of want to spiral off. Course. I go out, I go down these tangents and I go, Oh yeah, I got to go back and talk about that other thing. That's on my slides. Cause I'm just so discombobulated at times, but, and see, see what's happening right now. I'm doing it right now. Uh, all right, so good, great questions. Good to have you here. Navy five Oh five. Really all of those questions came over from watching the watchers.locals.com. All right, we're going to change gears a little bit, but still closely related. I want to talk about wash Clinton, DC, attorney general, Carl racing. Carl, a racing is now announcing that as a result of what happened during the summer protest of 2020 many people were arrested and he is offering to have those people who are arrested to have their record sealed. And he's just sort of volunteering it out there. He's saying, Hey, a year has gone by now. You were arrested my office. We know that that probably shouldn't have happened. So we're going to go ahead and actively affirmatively offer to seal those records for you. Really nice offer. All right now. So I want to break down what's going on here? I think this is great. I love it. That we have defendants people who were arrested, people who were sort of gobbled up by law enforcement, the have the opportunity to clear that stuff up. That's a great thing. My question is, is that going to be afforded to other people maybe who have been also in Washington DC during protests during unrest? We'll see. So the background on the story comes over from the Washington post.com. It says the DC attorney general offers to seal records of some arrested during the Floyd protests office of Carl racing said Thursday, then it will offer to seal the arrest records of more than 200 people detained for violating curfew orders during protests in early June, after police slang of George Floyd, after Floyd was killed by Shovan last may and mayor Bowzer announced a curfew amid the unrest protests in DC resulted in mass arrest in a statement Thursday racing office said it was sending letters to about 220 individuals arrested for violating the curfew order from beginning of June, 2020. So th this is, this is really about not people being prosecuted, but just being arrested. So people, you know, they there's sort of a multi-pronged approach to this or a multi-tiered approach. The police will come they'll, they'll conduct an arrest, a lawful detention, which will lead into arrest, which will then you sort of be delivered over to the prosecutor's office. At that point in time, the prosecution has the discretion about whether to prosecute that case or not. So, you know, they can, they can take a look at it and just declined to do that. So that's what happened in Washington DC, about 220 arrests, which is more or less, yes, right around the, about the same number of cases that I think we have seen at least the last number we checked that we're the Capitol Hill riots. If you recall, the last time that the Washington DC, uh, us attorney's office there, the people who were prosecuting these Capitol Hill cases, the last time that they ask for continuances, the numbers that we were looking at were about 300 cases. They do, we're too busy, right? And so they've got, uh, at least 220 cases or so, or at least case files that they were looking at that, uh, in this case that they, they, they have capacity to address. And so the big, the big criticism, the big sort of disconnect here of course is going to be that DC attorney general, Carl racing is not somebody who works for the us attorney's office. It's a different jurisdiction. It's, it's Washington DC versus the U S federal department of justice. It's sort of a, a local and a federal issue. He's with a different office. The people who were handling the Capitol Hill protests, they're all part of the DOJ us attorney's office. So you can make that criticism. But my point here is more, I'd say fundamental, it's more, uh, uh, on the principle of the matter, if in one second,[inaudible] you have people who are arrested for protesting for voicing their political opinion. They're out there, you know, participating in American democracy. If you want to call it that or categorize it that way. And they are being proactively offered the opportunity to clear their record up by our own government. So that's great. That's amazing, right? I'm a defense lawyer. I love people getting their records clear, especially when they shouldn't have been charged or arrested in the first place fully supported. But my question is, is that from a fundamental principle level, those are people who are getting a benefit from our government are the Capitol Hill people going to be looked at through the same lens. Are they going to get that same benefit? Let's say a year from now, a bunch of them were arrested for maybe no reason, just like some of these people were, are they going to get the same benefit of the doubt? We'll see. So we're just going to Mark this one down right now. The people already know that they were not being prosecuted. The statement said, but the letters will inform them that they are eligible to have the record of their arrest sealed. And that the attorney general will file a motion to seal on their behalf. If they respond without the attorney General's assistance, the individuals will have to file motions on their own after a two year waiting period. So they get to bypass that very, very nice. Abby McDonald was spokesman for the attorney general said in the statement that the office wants to quote, help, make the process easier for those individuals and reduce hurdles to have their arrest record sealed. We declined to prosecute the vast majority of protestors who were arrested in early June, 2020 for violating their curfew while peacefully protesting in the district. The attorney general, formerly charged just five people arrested for curfew violations in June. A statement said 80 people arrested for curfew violations who may have previous arrest records are precluded by law from having their records sealed. According to the statement, because they've got priors, uh, a sample letter released by the attorney General's office, which we have, we're going to go through that here, said the decision not to prosecute was not based on a determination of whether those charges had committed an offense as rather, we are exercising our discretion, not to prosecute you based on an evaluation of the specific facts of your case and your criminal history or lack thereof. Please note that you, that should you be rearrested for this offense, AOL G O G may decide to prosecute you for that offense and or oppose the ceiling of your arrest. All right. So, you know, this is something that is actually kind of common. So, uh, kind of, not quite this far. So let me give you an example of something that was happening here in Arizona, until we just recently legalized marijuana, recreational marijuana. So before that it was a class six felony for classics at the lowest. It could even be a class four based on what you had, but long story short, it was a felony to possess marijuana in Arizona. And so we had a program here called task. It was sort of a deferred prosecution program where if it was your first offense, you never got in trouble before you would get a letter kind of like the one that I'm about to show you that would say, Hey, listen, we know you were charged with a crime. Uh, but since it's your first offense, we're going to give you this deal. We're going to give you a deal. If you go and take classes, if you go to drug screening, alcohol screening, whatever, and you sort of stay clean for six months or one year, you randomized testing from time to time, you go in and you give them a sample. And you, you, you just, your, your clean after 12 months go by what happens. They dismiss those charges against you. That's pretty common. It's called a diversion agreement in exchange for you doing something. The government's going to give you a benefit. And this is good. I think these are great things because we want more of that in our justice system, we want more rehabilitation. We want to help people restore themselves beyond their prior situation that led to their criminality. We want to help people improve their lives. The way to do that is through education and classes, not with criminal convictions and prison time. So diversion deals, I think are a very good thing, but this is one step further than that. This is, this was not that right. These people were not prosecuted. These people were arrested. And based on the fact that they're not prosecuting them, this is the prosecution. Now going out in affirmatively saying, we're, we're going to clean up that arrest. In other words, we shouldn't have even arrested you really. We're going to go help you seal all of this stuff, taking an active role, not just saying, well, you know, you did something wrong and we just declined to arrest you. So we're just going to leave that we're actually going to go fix some of that for you is a very proactive thing that's happening here. And it's not something that I even disagree with. Okay. We've had an issue with this throughout this country. We've seen this in Arizona, a lot of peaceful protesters. I think protesting isn't necessarily that productive. And, and I don't know really what people expect to get out of it. That's a whole separate topic though, but if they're are peacefully protesting, it's their American right to do so. So go out there and do it as long as they're not protesting or, uh, I'm sorry. You know, uh, rioting, torching buildings, injuring people, throwing things or threatening society. I had no problem at all with that, following the rules. It's great. And if the cops and our law enforcement entities are penalizing that that's a no-no, that's, that's, that's an over encroachment of government and that's a bad, no matter who's protesting. I don't care whether that's the mega or, uh, you know, the, the lefties on the other side, it, it, the line has to be drawn. And if they are going to be arresting people in a show of force and causing their records to be blemished, then I think they should go, go back and help clean those things up. But my question is, is this going to be equal? Are we going to see something like this across the board for all defendants? Or is this just a special category and exclusion of the George Floyd protestors, right? Did they get a special bucket of privilege that other people do not get? I'm going to guess that they will very unlikely that we're going to see anything like this for anybody who is involved, or even in the zip code during January 6th, which is a problem because we have two tiers of justice. If that continues to develop, I know that many people are sort of doing cartwheels out there. Hey, the Trump supporters, they're still in custody. Meanwhile, everybody over here is getting diversion agreements. We it's the same justice system. It's not supposed to be multiple outcomes for different people doing essentially the same thing, right? Vastly different penalties. That's not fair. It's not equal. And that's why it's problematic. So we have some more information on this over from, uh, w U S a nine. So this gentleman, I actually broke the story, and I want to show you, uh, his summation of what's going on here,

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Clean out the DC attorney general, sending out this letter to those 220 protesters. It says if DC metropolitan police arrested you for June protest for breaking curfew during those protests last year, here is how he is going to help. Now, last year, we showed you how MPD pushed protesters. Most of them peaceful from main streets to a residential side street for mass arrests. Around 200 people were arrested on the night of June. First on Swan street, Northwest 70 protesters took shelter, overnight insights, Swan street, resonant, Rahul debase home. This March, we first told you that DCS attorney general decided not to prosecute those MPD, that they did arrest that night. Now today, the his office announced it would provide free and immediate help to file court motions, to get DC judges, to expunge those protestors arrest records. Now this can save those peaceful protestors, not only money on attorney's fees, but also time, because typically speaking, it takes two years, at least two years, from what I used to have any chance to get it off of a person's record. Now we have more details on what this means, and also how you can contact the DC attorney General's office. If you do not get this letter automatically sent to you, we have that on WSA nine.com reporting live Nathan baka, w USA, NY,

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All right, Nathan Bach, uh, given us a summation there. And he's exactly right, by the way, you know, this is stuff, you know, attorneys charge good money for this type of legal work to expunge records and seal records. I mean, that's, you know, this is a gift that these people are being given otherwise, you know, um, maybe some of them have even already hired counsel to go out and solve this problem for them. You know, now they don't have to do it because they have an unopposed motion. They have agreement from the government that, yeah, if you want to seal it, no problem. Just go in here and file some paperwork. We'll even do it for you. So it really sort of helping them get this done quickly and inexpensively because the government is paying for a large part of it. This is the letter that's going out. You can see it here. It says the government of the district of Columbia office of the attorney general, the consent motion to seal the arrest record. And so they're blinking some of this information out. Of course, this is the, the, the address of the person who receiving this, the office of the attorney general for DC received notice that you were arrested back on June one for violation of the curfew order. The attorney general has decided not to file charges against you. After reviewing your record, we determined that you're eligible to have your arrest sealed. We are writing the ask, whether you would like our office to file a motion on your behalf, asking the judge to seal the record of this arrest in DC. Certain arrest records are all eligible for sealing provided that you, the movement, the person seeking to have it sealed, meets the statutory requirements. Of course, we did that over at the attorney General's office. You look good to go to have it sealed law requires you to file a motion and ask the judge to seal the record, but we can file that for you. We just need your permission. Tasha's a letter is a copy of the motion we would file on your behalf. Okay. So think about this. They're actually already drafting this stuff, uh, or they have a template that they're attaching here says if you consent OAG, we'll file the attached motion. It will then be up to the judge to decide whether to grant the motion to seal. If you would like OAG to file the attached motion to seal, please respond, send us an email subject line with your name, date, all this stuff, the decision to prosecute you was not based on any determination of whether you committed this offense. Rather, we are exercising our discretion, not to prosecute you based upon an evaluation of the specific facts of your case and your criminal history or lack thereof. So you can see this as here. Uh, if we don't hear from you, we're not gonna file it. Let us know, signed off on here by Carl[inaudible] and Pete SEDA over the chief at the criminal section. And then as the letter mentioned, right, they're actually showing you what they're going to file. And it's, uh, it looks something like this. This is a copy of the consent motion to seal arrest records, not going to go through this whole thing, but I just wanted to show you, right? So they have the person here. It looks like their name is blacked out. They have the arrest number. That's, it's a closed case because this person is not being charged of anything. So, uh, you know, they just have the arrest number, right? It's not even an actual case because it hasn't been filed in court yet. So they go through the different statutes DC code, and a person does this. And here's a violation of this. And a judge shall weigh these different things and considering whether to seal it, it's in the interest of justice to grant this motion. This, this says because the interest in sealing on arrest records outweighs the community interest in viewing these records, curfew and posts was a temporary order. Spanning a few days, violating a temporary curfew order is a minor infraction and public access to this arrest record would no longer serve legitimate public interest. Arguably employers would not rely upon a curfew violation arrest for making hiring decisions or retaining employees. Additionally, in this case, the district concedes that the public safety was not endangered. Lastly, given its temporality, there's virtually no rehabilitation that can occur for violating a curfew order that is no longer in effect. So the government totally agrees once again, signed off on by Peter saber. And I agree with this, right? If, if, if I don't want more people being arrested unnecessarily in this country, we have way too much of that already. I would make just like to make sure that this is being equally applied to other defendants in similar situations, regardless of the jurisdiction. If this is at a DC, this is the local DC jurisdiction. Great. Well, it sounds like you guys have a lot of capacity here to go and help. Maybe the us attorney's office, you are also lawyers, and you're also in Washington DC going to guess that you're also licensed to practice law in federal court. You have apparently enough time to work on 220 cases to help people clear their records up, which is great. I applaud that maybe you could also go upstairs with the us attorney's office and help them because they keep asking for continuances because they're overwhelmed. They can't process something like 300 cases. You got, you know, 220 different case files you can work on, maybe can delegate some of that time so that those people are not being stuck with due process violations, as you are continuing to keep them in custody, as you ask for continuances, because you can't run your office appropriately. And I was thinking more about this the other day, you know, this type of surge is something that happens, right? Uh, think about this from, uh, uh, just your local city. Okay. In Arizona every year we have the waste management open last year was very small because of the, the thing that's going on in the world. But it was, you know, it's something that happens every year. And a lot of people come, something like a hundred thousand people come through. And every year there is a surge in certain types of cases like urinating in public and, uh, you know, criminal littering and consumption in, in, uh, in public and all sorts of different, you know, event type of crimes. And every year, all of the prosecuting agencies around our state, they're able to handle the influx of new cases. Do you think that there's more than 300 cases that come out of a four day event where over a hundred thousand people walk through it? Yeah, of course. Same with the Superbowls, same with any big events. So I still, you know, the more and more I think about this Capitol Hill continuance stuff, the more and more, it just rubs me the wrong way, because I think it is a poor excuse for whittling away and watering down very important. Civil rights, John Dillard, 52 is in the house from watching the watchers.locals.com says, do you believe we are headed for another civil war? Now that many people are starting to believe that? I don't think so. Uh, John[inaudible], you know, I, I, I tend to be kind of an optimist, I think in most things, I think that, yes, we have a lot of vitriol towards one another, but I think that the generally life is pretty good, right? I mean, if you can unplug from politics, you know, we just went through something awful in 2020 and people are, I think, I think people are, you know, are, are keeping it together for the most part. And even though everybody's agitated about the direction of the country and everybody's at each other's throats over race and taxes and healthcare and abortion and gay rights and all this stuff, I think most people are pretty pretty content. You know, at the end of the day, do you want to sit on your couch and watch your Netflix and order your door dash? Or do you want to go pick up your firearms and your pitchforks and go out there in the middle of the street and Duke out with your neighbor? I mean, w w which one of those really? And if you look around our society, which one of those things is actually going to happen, okay, it's going to be the Netflix and chill. It's not going to be the alternative. Now, you know, there may be some soft decoupling that happens, which is, I think, a better way to think about it, right there, there, there may be some, some States or some segments of our country in different countries that just decide this, maybe this doesn't work out for us anymore. Maybe we just need to separate a little bit. Uh, but that, uh, uh, if something like that happened, I imagined that it would be peaceful because I just don't think that there's anything, um, that justifies a war, right? I mean, when you say civil war, I I'm thinking of guns and you know, physical battle. And I just don't see that Jack Elia says we don't need a lack of accountability for these terrorists or any other criminals. What we need is a return to principle that once one has done their time, they are reinstated in full as a fellow citizen. Yeah, I, yeah. I agree with that. And so Jack ally, I think I, I, I agree with you right? Once, once the debt has been paid, should wipe the slate clean. That's why you pay the debt. I don't like this concept, this sort of, uh, prolongated indefinite servitude to the criminal justice system. Oh, you committed a felony 10 years ago. Guess what? You still can't vote. Guess what? You still can't purchase a firearm. Oh, but you did your time. And you've been on probation. You've been paying your fines and not doing anything, not never broken the law. Again, there should be a restoration of your ability to be a full citizen. And, uh, unfortunately our current system doesn't work that way. Now, in this case, the difference here is that they were not actually charged with a crime. So to return them to hole would be to erase their arrest records, which is again, why I support it. I don't think that this happens a lot. If somebody is just arrested and they're not charged with a crime, or let's say, for example, somebody is arrested and, uh, the prosecution doesn't believe him. You go to a trial and you get them acquitted, right? They they're, they're not convicted. They're record is still public. You can still go find that stuff. So that person still has that blemish on their record, even though they were acquitted. And it can be kind of difficult to, you know, wipe that clean because it's all out on the internet already. Once it hits the interwebs it's history, no cleaning that up, we got Liberty or death says, and for those who are not eligible for the age to do this, they can rely on a pardon from president Kamala Harris, after all she bailed out the rioters. She sure did. I think that tweet is still up. Isn't it? We have speaking of protest, uh, from the Darla Sierra says, did you hear about the off parents in your neck of the woods that AC heat must have come early this year? Yeah. So, uh, he is pointing to this story. So watch now hundreds protest mass policy for avail school, shut down a board meeting. So in Vail, Arizona, we've got parents rally for the school district to drop the mask mandate in schools. And I think, I think I did read this story, or I saw a snippet of it. If I recall correctly. I think that these people in Vail, Arizona went into the, uh, the school board and they said, Hey, we want this mask stuff off. And the school board said, I think this is this story. The school board said, no, it's not going to happen. So we're just going to go ahead and adjourn the meeting, you all peasants out there. We are the people in charge. We're the people with power and we're not going to comply. Okay. We know what we're doing. Little people, thanks for playing go away. So the board members on the school board left, and then what happened was, uh, the people, the school, the, the, the parents actually knew Robert's rules of order for conducting these types of committees. And they just did it. They said, okay, well, okay. Today is the date and time for the meeting. Uh, there's nobody here to run it. So let's go to the rules. The rules say that, uh, we need four, we need seven people who are representative of the school district. Okay. We got you Karen and, uh, Jan and, uh, Billy and everybody. Okay, great. Got you guys. So we're going to form a quorum. Now, you just got elected. You just got elected, you just got elected and you just got elected. What do you people think about the mass mandate? We hate it. It's all going away. Okay. Do I have a motion? Yup. Do I have a second? Got that one all up. All in favor. All oppose and that's it. Right. They just took it over. I think it's that story. And, uh, Hey man, that's Arizona. That's how we do it, baby. I love it. We got Patriot must says, Rob I'm greatly disappointed in the response. History has shown that republics, like all nations face more civil Wars than any other country. It is going to happen from Patriot Musk.

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Well, yeah, I mean, uh, you

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Know, look, Patriot must th th th the, the concern I have is the war parts. Okay. If there's a, a decoupling of, you know, different parts of the world and realignments that I'm not necessarily opposed to, but if it's a war with tanks and, you know, Arizona versus New Mexico, man, I don't wanna, I don't, I don't, I don't want that. I hope that it doesn't happen. Maybe it's inevitable, but I hope that it, I hope that it isn't because we're civilized people, aren't, we, we can have conversations about these things, you know, w you know, what I think we should probably do is to solve all of our problems. We should elect really competent people who are very smart. We should send them to like one location, or they can think about these problems and solve it for us. That'd be great. Uh, we're in trouble. All right. So next story, we are going to change gears. Thanks for those questions over from watching the watchers.locals.com. Thank you everybody. Okay. And so we're going to change gears. Golin Maxwell so much activity going on in this case, it's kind of hard to keep up. The courts are receiving multiple letters every day. And a new exhibit just came out exhibit B that was filed by Golin Maxwell's attorneys showing this image of her having a bruise on the inside of it looks like her left eyeball. So you can see that right here. This is, this is from a court document, and we're going to go through this letter from Mr. Bernheim, uh, Glenn Maxwell's lawyer. And you can see this right here, right? Not a real good looking. Um, it looks like a bruise, and it looks like a, uh, a vessel popped or something is going on there. And just people are speculating about what that is. Is this, um, some sort of a laceration, was she hit here? Did she, you know, uh, if she's too stressed out, is she popping blood vessels in her eyes? Is she not getting appropriate nutrition? A lot of potential things going on here. Uh, but the point is, is her defense attorney is now raising the red flag saying, Hey, this is a problem I've been telling you for months. Now that the conditions in this federal prison are very, very problematic. We've already heard about it saying that the guards wake her up every 15 minutes, Ms. Maxwell made a claim that they were violating her during one of the Pat downs. We know that, you know, guards, uh, Oh, there, there was sewage and stuff being backed up. Apparently in her toilet, she's waking up every 15 minutes I made have already said a lot, right? The, the attorneys have a litany, a huge list of things that they are just not happy about. So now the attorneys are looking at this go and see, we told you, so she just got popped in the eye, or, you know, her, her blood levels are something's problematic here, judge, we're asking for your help. The judges curious. Let's just say that. All right. So the first story comes over from the AP says a judge seeks answers for jails Golin Maxwell treatment. Judge ordered the government on Thursday yesterday to explain why guards repeatedly flashlight in a Maxwell cell overnight. And action, her lawyers say may have led to a bruise over one of her eyes. She awaits a trial in an alleged sex trafficking conspiracy with Jeffrey Epstein. Judge, Alison Nathan issued an order after her lawyer for Maxwell complained that guards threatened to punish her client. After Maxwell was unable to explain the bruise above one eye and was noticed Wednesday night when she saw her reflection in a nail clipper lawyer, Bobby stern Haim said the 59 year old Maxwell may have gotten the bruise as she tries to shield her eyes from the light that awakens her every 15 minutes as the guards make sure she's breathing. Ms. Maxwell is unaware of the cause of the bruise as reported to medical and psych staff. She has grown increasingly reluctant to report information to the guards for fear of retaliation, discipline and punitive chores. Stern Haim wrote Maxwell has pled not guilty to sex trafficking charges, alleged alleging. She recruited teen boys Epstein didn't kill himself back in 2019, a lawyer from Maxwell told a three judge panel for a second circuit court that a court of appeals that Maxwell is being treated as if she has a suicide risk, even though she is not one. And so, as we know, when you are on suicide watch, they are making sure that you're not going to commit suicide or died by suicide. And they are checking you very frequently. You have a lot less of the same amenities that you would have, uh, Epstein was on that. I think once or twice, I think he may have just gotten off of that when, uh, when he, uh, got deceased, let's say. And so, you know, she's been in those higher levels, stricter protocols for a long period of time, and her attorneys are now saying, well, look what you're doing. Look what you're doing to her. See, and as I've said, many times just wa what's so impressive about this from a defense perspective is these are just every single minor issue, every little hiccup, every sliver of any minutiae, they are calling it front and center. They are making such a massive deal about it. And they're doing a great job. I mean, they're doing a magnificent job. Uh, this, this representation is so thorough when I, every time I go on and look at a case like this, I can't, there, there are so many different documents flying back and forth every which way. And what's so amazing about this. This is not the crime of the century, okay. This is a sex trafficking case. This is like a few people traveling around on some airplanes and sleeping with, uh, an underage person. Okay. Like it's not, it's, it's awful and not good. And I'm not excusing that, but it's not complicated. It's a relatively simple crime relative to other types of criminal charges that involve all sorts of complicated things. I mean, even the DUI case is complicated relative to this, unless this involves a lot of other things that we don't know about, right? A DUI case involves gas chromatography, and you got to do all deep dive analysis on mass spectrometry and all these different things that require a lot of depth and scientific knowledge. And it's, it's a, it's a, it's a difficult criminal case from an intellectual perspective because there's a lot of deep dives that you can do. We saw some of this with Shovan a lot of the same toxicologist. And the analysis that you saw in that trial are the same expert witnesses that you would hear in a DUI case. Maxwell's case has none of that, right? It's just a few people traveling around and we've got some witnesses, some victims who say, yeah, they slept with me. They groomed me to do these things. So what's so complicated about this case. Why are there 2.7 million pages of documents in this case for a simple sex trafficking case involving four minor victims? Well it's because her lawyers are blowing up the hell out of everything. I mean, every single thing that goes on, we've already talked about this earlier in the week, Bobby stern Haim was in the, in there, or one of somebody from her office was with Glenn Maxwell earlier in the week, having a conversation about the case and the guards say allegedly that when Ms. Maxwell went into the facility to have this meeting with her lawyers, she wasn't carrying documents. Then when she left, she was carrying documents. So they confiscated those things from her. Well, that's a big problem. If you are a defense lawyer, and you're trying to work with your client, you give your client confidential case material, and the people who are prosecuting you, which is the government. In this case, they take those documents into their possession. That's your private confidential information. They don't have any access to that. That's attorney, client privilege. Huge problem. So that happens. Then they basically are blaming Maxwell and stern. I'm saying you violated protocols, Bobby sternum response, as the hell we are now, you're accusing me of something. So I want all of your records about every single thing that you ever said, including what you had for breakfast that morning, and whether you put butter on your toast or not, because it is now relevant, it's now accessible because you're accusing me of something. I get access to that stuff. You just opened the door on all this, and this is happening every which way you turn every little thing that pops up, you know? And I said, I've been, I've been following this for a long period of time, right? We were talking about how often Maxwell gets access to her lawyers. And I said, months ago, I said, if I was that attorney on the other end of that, I would have, you know, an intern or somebody dedicated, full-time calling Golin Maxwell every 15 minutes or every hour, just to make sure that you have access right. Access to your client, just to say, Hey, I just, I just needed to ask her a quick question. Uh, what happened on this day? I just have a question about this sentence. And then every time that you didn't speak with her every time that you didn't have access, you just make a log government denied access, denied access, denied access, denied access access. Then what do you have? Right. You have a failure to provide counsel. You have a right to counsel violation. You're just seeing this. You're seeing the framework of this thing later out every day, just one after the other. And it's, it's impressive. It's really, really something to see, you know, uh, I'm trying to communicate it well, I'm not sure that I'm doing a good job of it, but, you know, from a, from a defense perspective, this is so, so, so intense just in terms of the sheer volume of documents. It's, it's a sight to behold. All right. So enough of that, let's go back to the article. It says a lawyer for the three judge panel already talked about that. Two judges said that they expressed concern about the light that is flashed in Maxwell cell at night, interrupting her sleep government, lawyer conceded to the appeals panel. That Maxwell was not, has not been declared a suicide risk. As she argued for Maxwell to remain behind bars prior to a trial scheduled for July 12th, defense lawyers. And we'll see if that happens July 12th, uh, like two months from now, we're almost at may. Oh my goodness. Defense lawyers have asked that the trial be delayed until next January, which is probably more likely, remember the government just disclosed like 2.7 million documents. My Fox did an analysis on that. It's like 983 feet. It'd be like one of the tallest skyscrapers in Arizona. Right? If you, if you, you built that, that amount of, uh, uh, of this it's crazy. It's a lot of material for something that is not a complicated case. All right. Second circuit, or it is apparently it is a complicated case, but the real question there then is why what's so complicated about it. Who will who's involved. This is why everybody is so curious. What's going on here. All right. Second circuit in a brief order, upheld the court's decision to thrice deny Maxwell bail on the grounds that she is a flight risk. Defense lawyers offered to put up 28 and a half million and hire a 24 hour armed guards to prove the Maxwell would not flee Maxwell. Us citizen also offered to renounce her British and France citizens citizenships, but the judge still said, sorry, appeals court directed Nathan to deal with any complaints about her sleep conditions. So we're going to take a look at the letter here in a minute in her order on Thursday, Nathan directed the government to find out if Maxwell is being subjected to flashlight surveillance every 15 minutes at night or any other atypical flashlight surveillance. If so, the judge said government needs to explain the basis for doing so. So, and whether Maxwell can be provided with the appropriate eye covering, I'm going to show you that order here in a second Maxwell's lawyer told the second circuit, she had to cover her eyes with a towel or socks because they didn't give her a mask. Ian Maxwell Maxwell's brother said in his statement that he was shocked. My sister's guards didn't immediately refer her for proper medical care. Instead he said they bullied and harassed her effectively blaming the victim. Simple solution is to review the round, the clock security camera footage, and see what may have occurred. He added which sounds right. It sounds pretty simple. I mean, if she's got cameras all over her, somebody should be able to scrub through that and see what's going on. He added apart from whatever happened in this house of horrors, I can report Glenn's family and friends continued to support her. We are confident once this is over, it will be the prosecutor who has a proverbial black eye. Whoa, buddy, boy. Whoa,

Speaker 4:

Careful, careful there.

Speaker 1:

All right. So here's the letter. This came over from Bobby stern Heinz law office. You can see this was filed yesterday, April 29th, page one of four. We're not going to go through actually it's it's short. We're going to go through the two pages because the other two are, uh, uh, exhibits, very short exhibits. So here's what we've got. Dear judge, Nathan, this is coming from Maxwell's lawyer. She's sending this to the judge, she's saying during oral argument, Maxwell's bail appeal before the circuit. So there, you know, they took this up to the appeals

Speaker 4:

Court counsel who is

Speaker 1:

Not Bobby stern Haim. So they have a different, a different appeals court lawyer said that she was improperly deprived of sleep while being detained. And the denial of her appeal, the circuit court said to the extent that the appellant Maxwell seeks relief to her sleeping conditions, direct these to the district court. So the court of appeals is now saying, Hey, if you've got a problem with the sleep stuff, take it up with a district court, the lower-level court. And that's what Bobby's doing. She says, we press our concerns regarding this issue, the disruption of the sleep and the delay deleterious affects sleep deprivation is having on our health wellbeing and the ability to prepare for and withstand trial. Now, if she can't sleep, her health is bad as is evident by what we see in her bulb, her well-being's off. We already know that

Speaker 4:

And she can't prepare for her trial. So you are violating her rights to, uh, an effective defense by not letting her sleep. You see what's up

Speaker 1:

Happening. They're just laying the framework for an appeal. So if they lose, they can say, well, of course we lost.

Speaker 4:

She couldn't sleep. So how could she possibly be prepared? She couldn't

Speaker 1:

Ms. Maxwell continues to be disruptive throughout the night by guards shining a flash strobe light into her cell, claiming that her breathing must be checked. The myth that Ms Maxwell's conditions of confinement are related to her being a suicide risk was laid to rest. During the oral argument, there was nothing to support that contrived claim, Ms. Maxwell is classified with standard CC one MH designation inmate with no significant mental health care, contrary to the report that she wears an IMS when she sleeps, which was in the government's document, that was in the docket. Number one 96 at item, they say that an item was neither available for purchase at the commissary nor provided to her. She resorts to using a sock or a towel to cover her eyes in an awkward attempt to shield them from disrupting elimination. Every 15 minutes last night, she was confronted by staff due to a visible bruise over her left eye. The black eye is depicted in exhibit B. I just showed you that, but we're going to get it again here in a minute. Despite 24 seven cameras surveillance, except when guards elect to exert authority in an intimidating way off camera, as they did during Saturday's bathroom incidents, no guard addressed the bruise and tell Ms. Maxwell who has no mirror caught a reflection of her aching eye in the glean of a nail clipper. At that point, staff confronted Maxwell regarding the source of the bruise bruise threatened to place her in the SHQ. If she did not reveal how she got it. Ms. Maxwell is unaware of the cause of the bruise as reported to medical and psych staff. She has grown increasingly reluctant to report information to the guards for fear of retaliation, discipline and punitive chores. However, there is concern that the bruise may be related for her, maybe related to the need for Maxwell to shield her eyes from the lights being projected through the cells at night MDC, routinely places, inmates in SHQ, which must be solitary. If they have engaged in physical altercation with other inmates to protect inmates who are the subject of abuse, it would be ironic if the MBC follows through with its threat to place her in there, it would signal that she needs protection from the very staff. So intent on protecting her since she has no contact with anyone, but staff as suggested by the circuit, we asked the court to address this stop the 15 minute light surveillance of Ms. Maxwell or justify the need

Speaker 4:

Very, truly yours, Bobby stern Haim. So right. It's it's, it's, it's a good point. That's a great, that's a great point.

Speaker 1:

And now that we have this little eye thing and we have the court of appeals ruling, they can make a big deal out about it, about it. And here is what the judge had to say. So judge here says by May 5th, 2021, the government is ordered to confer with legal counsel for the prison, for the jail and provide the court responses to the following questions. Number one is Ms. Maxwell being subjected to flashlight surveillance every 15 minutes at night or any other atypical flashlight surveillance. And if so, what is the basis for doing so? And if so, can she be provided with the appropriate eye covering ordered April 29th by Alison Nathan us district court judge says the government is further ordered to share its response with defense counsel before filing it on ECF so that defense counsel can indicate whether they believe any private medical information needs to be redacted before public filing. So ordered. So then the question is, uh, is there going to be any private medical information in there, if not on May 5th, then we're going to get a copy of this response or we'll, we'll see whatever their response is.

Speaker 4:

No, I think you can sort of extrapolate where they're going with this, right? If they are checking,

Speaker 1:

They probably want to make sure she's breathing. She's not doing anything nefarious in there. Uh, but again, every 15 minutes, you know, I don't, I'm not sure,

Speaker 4:

Sure what you can do in those intervals and actually getting up and chiseling away at something in, in 14 minutes and sneaking back into

Speaker 1:

Bed nuts. It's not enough time, but you know, this is a,

Speaker 4:

Um, there's a lot of activity here. The second circuit court says, here we are,

Speaker 1:

Or this earlier in the week, I think filed a, but they filed this today under consideration, it's ordered the district court orders or affirm bail is as again denied. She expressed concern that she was being improperly deprived of sleep. And then this is the order that says that they have permission to go back to the district

Speaker 4:

Judge. So we have,

Speaker 1:

Uh, another letter here. Uh, this is, so this is a follow-up. Let me frame this out real quick. We've got a back and forth that happened yesterday. So we've, we've, we've talked about this previously. I think earlier this week, in fact

Speaker 4:

Act, there was this idea that there was a meeting between Bobby stern hall,

Speaker 1:

Ms. Maxwell's lawyer or somebody, maybe two people from her office. They went into the prison facility

Speaker 4:

Or the, the jail she's,

Speaker 1:

We'll call it jail. You know what I mean? If I say prison, I mean, jail

Speaker 4:

Going into the jail and having a privileged meeting. And then when she left Maxwell had documents that apparently she shouldn't have had Bobby stern. Huh?

Speaker 1:

I said, no, she had those documents when they came in with, with her, but the guards didn't check her. So that's sort of the defense here. No, I didn't give her anything. She came in with

Speaker 4:

Them. Typically the guards will

Speaker 1:

Check so that they can do sort of an inventory. They can say, what did you come in with? Make sure that you leave, you come in, you leave with what you came in with. No, nothing extra.

Speaker 4:

So what, uh, Mr. Anaheim is saying is that she did come in with those documents. When she left,

Speaker 1:

Then you took them. That was a violation of attorney client privilege, and they got a letter back. So Mr. And ham got a letter from the prison facility, a woman by the name of, well, we're gonna get to it in the next slide we responded and said, Hey, just so you know, we did actually seize these materials from Ms. Maxwell. Just wanted to let you know, Bobby stern Haim responded said, Oh, that's a violation. Everything that you have in your file, I want just don't even, don't even email it. Just have you hall come over there and pick up all of your file cabinets. Cause I want everything in there and now I'm entitled to it because you're accusing me of violating a protocol. So this is sort of the back and forth. Now it's taking place. This is now Bobby stern, Haim sending a letter over to the judge explaining what's going on. And then we're going to see the government responding back. So let's take a quick look here. You'll notice this was filed again yesterday, April 29th. It says, dear judge, Nathan, this is signed off by Bobby, uh, which is Maxwell's lawyer says Lee, uh, the jail legal persist in falsely, accusing Ms. Maxwell's counsel of violating Brooklyn jail's legal visit procedures. This allegation is reckless, false and defamatory at no time. Did counsel provide documents to Ms. Maxwell for her attention? And, uh, that did not originate from Ms. Maxwell, the April 29th letter from MDC legal States that supervisory staff reviewed video surveillance footage, but notably does not state the contents of that video surveillance. Interesting. The fact that MDC legal does not claim to have reviewed the video or the contents of the video footage speaks volumes further and contrary to the jails letter jail staff did. In fact, quote, seize and retain Ms. Maxwell's confidential legal documents after the legal visit on April 24th, while most of those documents were returned to Ms. Maxwell, other documents, which the MDC concedes were confiscated were not returned to her, but rather given to her counsel the next day, as previously stated documents returned to Ms. Maxwell council was quote legal mail, which had been sent to Ms. Maxwell sometime prior to April 24th, counsel did not bring those documents into the facility, MDC, the jail admits and flouts. The fact that guards read Ms. Maxwell's confidential materials. This is no small matter. She's absolutely right about that. Ms. Maxwell is working tirelessly to review and discuss her attorneys, uh, discuss with her attorneys, literally millions of pages of documents and write literally like 2.7 deterioration of her confidential communications with her attorney does not produce a fair and just trial. We press our request, the court direct MDC to provide Maxwell's counsel with a copy of the video recording. So, Oh my gosh. That's just right. And the court what's the court going to do? Yeah. It's her legal documents. What are you guys reading her legal files for what this does also is it sort of chills the prison and the government because every time they know now they know they're on record now. Shoot. Are we going to, are we going to complain about that? Maxwell's doing something. Are we going to complain or we don't send Bobby a letter? Are you nuts sued to make our lives miserable for the next 45 days? You out of your mind, let her get away with whatever she wants. I want to open that up again because now they're going to be looking at the video. And now they're going to look to see whether the government's characterization of the video is, is accurate or not. And what if it's not? What if they watch the video and it's clear as day? What if you watch it it's clear as day that there was no transfer of documents that Bobby stern Haim and Maxwell's defense team did not give her a thing. The government didn't do that, but they seized those records anyways and they read them, Oh, it's going to be good. Going to be good. My friends. All right. So here's a letter back. This is coming over from Alison Nathan, or this is from, uh, going to judge Nathan. You can see this as a filed today. So we had this one from Bobby filed on four 29, 21. This one filed back today from the U S department of justice, the federal Bureau of prisons. So this is being signed off on by Sophia Pappa, true, who is staff attorney over at the prison facility. So she says, all right, listen, this letter is in response to an earlier letter. So to her April 28th letter, which is the one that we do not have, but it says here it's, you know, uh, uh, uh, Bobby stern, Haim just fires off letters. I mean, she's BA gone, gone next one. Boom. And it's just like, like a machine gun. So she's referring to a letter that we did not cover today, but I think we covered it earlier in the week. It's about this incident that we're talking about. So seeking the following information. So this is a letter written in response to your April 28th order seeking the following information regarding an alleged incident at the detention center

Speaker 4:

And inventory

Speaker 1:

Of the items seized from Ms. Maxwell in the incident that occurred on April 24th is going to be provided to defense counsel. Only a representation indicating whether any of the C's materials were duplicated in any way was undertaken in order to determine this information. So they're going to give over a representation indicating whether Ms. Maxwell is permitted to bring confidential materials to in-person meetings. What steps have been taken to ensure the confidentiality of the lawyer-client communications? And here's what they said. They say at no point during or after the April 24th legal visit, or any materials seized and retained by Brooklyn staff, those materials that defense counsel gave to Ms. Maxwell contrary to the legal visit procedures were confiscated by staff and returned to defense counsel on April 25th. So they're at, so that's really what we're talking about. Did defense counsel

Speaker 4:

To her or not, they're saying that they did at no point were any materials seized during her,

Speaker 1:

After April 24th, those materials that defense counsel gave to Ms. Maxwell against the policies, they were confiscated by staff and returned on April 25th.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, but Bobby says that they didn't give her anything. And folks, this is, these are lawyers. These are like high powered lawyers and staff attorneys for the facility, right? This did, did she give

Speaker 1:

The documents or not? Where the hell did these pieces of paper come

Speaker 4:

From? Can somebody figure that out? In addition? Yeah,

Speaker 1:

None of Ms. Maxwell's legal materials, including those items given to her during her April 24th, legal visit were photocopied supervisory staff discuss the incident with staff involved in reviewed video surveillance footage. Ms. Maxwell may bring any legal materials. She wishes to carry from her housing area to her in-person meetings pursuant to our policies. An inmate's legal materials are visually inspected for contraband by a visiting room officer to ensure inmates do not bring unauthorized materials into the room. Inmates are only allowed to remove those legal materials. They brought to the legal visit. All legal visits are subject to visual monitoring only in addition to in-person legal visits, Ms. Maxwell may request unmonitored legal calls through the unit team for five hours a day, Brooklyn will continue to abide by set procedures to ensure attorney client communications remain confidential. Okay. So let's piece this together here on April 29th, which is when Bobby stir and Haim wrote this together. She's talking about this MDC legal does, does not claim to have reviewed the video or report the contents of the video and the fact that they don't report the content speaks volumes. Okay. Well, they just said here

Speaker 4:

That they did supervisory

Speaker 1:

Staff discuss the incident with staff involved and reviewed video surveillance footage. All right. So maybe Bobby's

Speaker 4:

Off on that. Maybe they did review it and if they did well, then, then

Speaker 1:

They want a copy of it because miss stern Haim is saying, we want all of those being sent over to us. We request the court, direct them to provide Ms. Maxwell with a copy of the video recording. So, um,

Speaker 4:

Hopefully the court grants that to them says, yep, you got it.

Speaker 1:

Then that video over to the defense counsel, I'd like to see it right. And I'm sure Bobby would too. And what if it doesn't show her giving her any time

Speaker 4:

Documents and the government just sees anyways?

Speaker 1:

Oh my goodness. All right. So let's take a quick look@somequestionsoverfromwatchingthewatchersdotlocals.com. And our first one in the house comes from a leafy bug. It says, so the defense is trying to get the case dismissed on procedural violations, correct. What's the probability of success given the high profile nature of the case. So, uh, I would say, uh, so sort of right there, it's a great question and you're on the right track. So, so I do not think that they're trying to get the case dismissed on procedural violations, right? So, but it's very close to that. They're trying to lay out a framework that would give them opportunities to appeal and sort of just whittle away at the government's case. So take it up, take it back down. They're trying to get certain bits of evidence thrown out and they're trying to bolster up a bunch of these arguments that Maxwell did not get a fair trial because of all of these problems that the government is responsible for. So they're, they're sort of manufacturing situations where they can really make the government look bad. And like the government is failing to deliver on its promise of providing all defendants with due process. And if that's the case, then[inaudible] now there's, there's good arguments that the charges should ultimately be dismissed because they can't, they can't prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt. So, you know, it's not one of these things, that's like a technical, like this is not a technical procedural violation. I, that's not, that's not accurate, right. I, it is, it is actually a procedural, it's a procedural issue because if she's not being cared for appropriately, then that's undermining her, her rights to a fair trial. So I, so I guess I kind of walked that back a little bit. Yeah. I mean maybe, maybe dismissals on procedural violations, but I think it's more about laying a framework for sort of a future appeals. You know, the probability of success on a dismissal is probably 0%, right? I really do not think that the government is going to dismiss this case at all ever. Uh, they can't because there's just too much political baggage associated to it. So it's either going to be, you know, negotiate procedural violations in exchange for a better plea deal or it's to lay the framework for an appeal at the conclusion of a case in the event that she is convicted. Great question we have underscore shade says the 27,000 papers are each all of the billionaires and politicians who she supplied girls to high money cases on all levels. No mercy. Yeah. So it's not, not just 27002.7 million pages. It's a lot of billionaires and politicians, but we know there are a lot of those types of people out there who would probably love to work with her. We have Oh, Sox as rod big fan. So do you think Maxwell is holding out for the same deal? Her boss got with witness protection. Good question. Oh, suck. I like how you just kind of squeezed in there in the premise of that question. Just a massive conspiracy theory. You sort of, uh, uh, thinking past the sale. So do you think she's holding out for the same deal? What deal? Oh, you know, the witness protection deal that Epstein got

Speaker 4:

It. Well

Speaker 1:

Done. Very well done. Um, yeah, probably. Uh, why wouldn't you, that's a good deal. It's a good deal. Where, where is that guy? Costa Rica right now. Just, you know, doing whatever he's doing. All right. We got norovirus says faith. Have you been keeping up with your conspiracy theories? You should duck, duck go. What an eye bruise means

Speaker 4:

On a public persona involved with under aged children. I believe it means that she's marked for execution. She probably killed some of the children. What, what? Nora? Nora norovirus.

Speaker 1:

All right. Well, you heard it, you heard it folks, you know, there is a weird conspiracy about that. And now that you mentioned it, I remember seeing that isn't there a picture I think of like all of the senators with a bruise on their eyes and like broken knuckles. I think I saw that on Twitter. It was like Mitch McConnell, Mitt Romney, Rubio, or, or something. There's a, there's a picture of that floating around. They've all got like bruised eyes, like bruised right eyes. Like what kind of weird, bizarre ceremony are they in?[inaudible] says it is a complicated case because Glen's lawyers are not just working for her, but by proxy also working for various princes, former heads of state and other famous people, the warden is checking every 15 minutes to make sure she doesn't kill herself while Glen isn't really trying to sleep anyway, because she has to make sure she doesn't get killed while sleeping. Uh, yeah, that sounds like a, like a living hell, doesn't it. But yeah, there's a lot. There's a lot of power behind her case and it shows in the court documents. And I mean that, I mean, it's very, very impressive. There is a lot of activity going on and it's just not, it's not in proportion to the nature of the charges. 2.7 million pages, pages of paper for four victims on a sex trafficking case. Give me a break. Jeremy[inaudible] says it would be a shame if the government botches Maxine's care enough to force the court, to allow her to go home. And then she disappears without punishment. It would be a shame one that Jeremy you're exactly right. It would be a shame. It would be a shame if anything happened to her, right. It's a real shame that, that something happened to Epstein. It would be a really, really big shame if something happened

Speaker 4:

To Maxwell,

Speaker 1:

We'll see what happens on this one chairman of board says, is it just me or when it comes to Glen Maxwell, shouldn't

Speaker 4:

The goal to be, to get

Speaker 1:

Information about what went on and who was involved more so than to just hold her accountable for her part. I mean, seriously, I'd be okay with her walking if she spills everything on everyone that was involved. So when I, uh, so when I write it, as long as it went

Speaker 4:

To the bigger fish, okay.

Speaker 1:

You know, as long as you've got something out of it, right. What Glen did to those four women allegedly right. Is not okay. And she shouldn't walk away from that. That's not what I'm saying,

Speaker 4:

But if, if, you know, if, if Glen says, if a prosecutor says,

Speaker 1:

All right, go ahead. What do you got? She comes back. And she says,

Speaker 4:

All right, here's, I'm ready to make a deal. She goes,

Speaker 1:

All right. All right. We got Hillary Clinton, bill Clinton. We've

Speaker 4:

Got bill Gates. We've got, we've got everybody. And she just rolls down the list and you just go, Hmm. Everything. She goes, everything. All right. All right. I'll draft it up. I'll sign it. I'll sign it right here. Total immunity, whatever you want, tell us everything. That's just having fun. You know, you know, that's just having fun. Uh, John Diller, 52 says if they find out Joe Biden or Hunter Biden were on the Island, they could, they would find a way of dismissing the case. And then she would go missing. The media would ignore it. Well, it wasn't bill Clinton on that Island. I mean, there's a picture of him. He's denied it unequivocally or, uh, unequivocally ever since, but he's, there's pictures of that. And I think isn't he on the flight logs with like Chris Tucker and Jackie Chan, or I think that's that moving that I love wrote, uh, rush hour. Great movie. All right. So good questions. Thank you for those over from watching the watchers.locals.com and for the last segment on this little Friday, we have something kind of different. I want to try this out, see how this works. So want to play a game with you, those of you in the live chat. Let's see if I can turn this on and, uh, bring this up a little bit. So we'll, we'll scroll that up. This is over on YouTube, on our live chat. So I've got a story that I want to share, and I want to see if I can see if you can guess what this item is. So let's try this. So I want to show you this story over here and see myself down here in the bottom. This story comes over from the smoking gun. And it says, inmate who hid a blank in her V word gets 10 years. Okay. So we gotta be careful here. A little bit of a content warning, because we're talking about female genitals, because this is a prison smuggling case. Okay. The question is, what did she bring in? What did she smuggle? What was the illegal contraband that got brought into this prison facility? She's getting 10 years in custody for it. Okay. Normally when you think about this stuff, what it's drugs, right? It's gotta be drugs. It's drugs, bringing drugs into prison. We all know how this goes. Let's read the story and see if you can fill in the blanks. What is it? All right. So here, we've got, it says a Missouri woman has been sentenced to 10 years in prisons after pleading guilty to smuggling a blink that was hidden in her vagina, into the County jail court records show during the circuit court hearing last week, Amy White Wilhite, 39 cop two D felony indictment charging her with the delivery or concealment of the, what of the blank. So this is her right here. We have Amy Wilhite in a plea deal. Wilhite seen at the right was sentenced to serve a decade in custody of the Missouri department of corrections. She is currently being held at the women's Eastern reception center. A state intake Wilhite

Speaker 1:

Who has previously done stretches in state prison was arrested on February 14th on gun in narcotics charges and booked into the Boone County jail. So do we, uh, we have any thoughts on what it is. Alright. Let's take a look. It says here, an initial search of Wilhite by Columbia police officers failed to locate the 4.6 ounce blank. So this thing was 4.6 ounces. What could that be? Stashed in her body orifice, a Pat search at the jail was followed by a strip search. Neither of which detected the four inch blank. What is it? Four inch blank. Let's take a quick look. We've got cell phone, uh, Gabriel. Parado DePaula says it's a baby. It's a Juul vape. It's a keg. It's a missile launcher. It's a missile. Launcher is a good one. We have beer. K bean says it's beer. We have QS as it's a knife. We have taser, taser, taser. We got a nail files. Oro says it's a nail file. So you could work your way out of it. Uh, the D Bailey says it's Hunter's crack pipe mammy. K beans has makeup and eggplant. That's a good one. Could be an eggplant. Uh adrenochrome we got somebody. I see it. I've seen a couple of it. Now, the husband's a CEO. He said a phone Hunter Biden might be in there. You never know. We got a couple of, there it is. It's coming out. That's right. Folks. Let's take a quick look at what this is. Let's turn the chat off here. And I want to show you the image of what this woman brought into jail. A 10 inch. No, a four-inch 4.6 ounce gun, 22 caliber revolver. My friends. This is a small 22 caliber revolver. Look at this.

Speaker 5:

That was four inches. There looks like a small

Speaker 1:

Four inches maybe, but four inches, 4.6 ounces looks just right here. This is a North American arms brand revolver, 17 days before jailers discovered this gun. So she brought the gun in and, uh, you know, took it out and had it for 17 days, a 22 caliber

Speaker 5:

Revolver. So

Speaker 1:

The probable cause statement investigators said that she removed the firearm from her body and concealed it within her personal belongings during the questioning at the jail, she admitted it but said that she was holding it for another female. She was in possession of the firearm stated that, uh, the investigators reported. All right. So 10 years for that in addition to some other charges.

Speaker 5:

So, okay, well

Speaker 1:

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